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Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by Krusty ..., Nov 2, 2010.
I would like to hear more about peoples experiences with the Seat Concepts seat.
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I took delivery of the first Pro-Cycle/Saddlemen seat for the DR. I like it. Similar to the Corbin in that it needs a bit of break-in. After about 500 miles it is now quite comfortable and basically goes unnoticed. It is wider in the area I actually sit on, yet fairly narrow in the front so as to not interfere with standing. It does not have a grippy top surface and at first I wasn't sure I'd like the slightly slippery feeling. After some miles, though, I find being able to slide up and back is better than being anchored in one place. YMMV. I am pleased with the seat and would buy another.
Some have found relief from the stock seat with the Stearns ATV cushion, often referred to as the Walmart pad, although they are available at many outlets. At around $18, it's far cheaper than most other options. Reviews are mixed.
Some have found relief from adding a sheepskin cover to the seat. Companies such as Alaska Leather sell sheepskin pads cut to fit dirtbike seats. Deluxe-http://www.alaskaleatheronline.com/servlet/the-17/Dualsport-Full-Saddle-Deluxe/Detail
Rally Special- http://www.alaskaleatheronline.com/servlet/the-29/Dualsport-Full-Saddle--dsh-/Detail
I have mostly found my bike seats too low stock, being 6'3" or so. On my DR I got and XT600 seat form the wrecker for $20 and removed the foam. After removing the DR cover, I used some tools to turn it into a saddle for the stock foam. Sharp knifes, including an electric carving knife and coarse sanding stuff works. I then got my local upholsterer to add a strip around the stock cover so it fits. He then added a strip to my sheepskin too, with a return on the edge which has a length of elastic cord in it so it comes on and off easy.
Doing it this way allows you to test and trim, and glue bits back if you trim too far, and get it just right for you.
I have some pics of this process from when I did my Berg seat if interested. The finished DR seat can be seen by clicking the link in my signature. Cheapest way to get a great result, especially if a taller seat is your objective.
I picked up a 97 DR650 late this fall and I have bought this seat for it as well. I am anxious to try it out this spring.
I had a Corbin on my Wee and did not like the width at all. Not being blessed with long legs, I found the width splayed my legs out so far when I stopped that it was actually painful.
I replaced the stock seat with the ProCycle Saddlemen Gel foam & cover kit for $165 USD from Procycle.us just a few days ago. http://www.procycle.us/bikepages/dr650.html
I ordered it Thursday before Easter weekend and received it Tuesday after Easter weekend, shipped from Oregon to northern Ontario. USPS is much, much more efficient than the Canadian postal service in my experience. Also bought the Powermadd 2" handlebar risers from ProCycle but that review will be for another thread.
The seat kit comes without instructions but it's pretty obvious what you have to do to change the seat foam & cover. [Edit: Procycle states on their website: "Just stretch on the cover and staple it in place."]
The bike before the seat install but after the Powermadd 2" handlebar riser install.
Arrival of 2" Powermadd handlebar risers (small box) & gel/foam seat cover kit (bag)
Comparison: Seat kit vs stock seat on stock seat pan
After pulling the stock seat off the bike I used a tiny flathead screwdriver to remove the old staples from the seat pan, and also removed the metal L brackets that anchor the seat pan to the bike. After fitting the new seat to the seat pan I used a staple gun to affix it to the seat pan - it didn't take more than a half hour from start to finish. If you can recruit another set of hands to help stretch the seat vinyl it will go much faster. I put the stock metal L brackets back on the seat pan and wrenched it back on the bike. I added blue threadlocker to the threads holding the metal L brackets. After owning a 2008 KLR650, that everything rattled off of... the rule is if it's a single cylinder motorcycle and it has threads on it - all threads get blue threadlocker.
New seat kit stapled to old pan
Fit and finish of the seat kit is quite good. Looks great. Only had a chance to go for a quick 20 minute ride after installation. The seat surface is a bit slippery, I like that. The front of the seat at the tank junction is slightly wider than the stock seat and is slightly lower than the stock seat. I can touch the ground a bit better with my feet than I could with the stock seat. [Keep in mind I have a 31.5" inseam and Kenda Trakmaster knobbie tires] The new seat is noticeably dished at the front (compared to stock) sliding you towards the tank, which will be a bonus when trail riding, when not standing on the footpegs. On even, flat ground, like the street, I only have to shift my body back slightly to stay where the seat is wider, the extra butt support is certainly welcome. The seat feels hard but supportive to my posterior since the seat is brand new - I know it will require a break in period for it to soften some. Also my twig and berries are happier since they don't feel slammed into the front of the seat anymore.
I'll edit this post to add more info once the seat has been suitably tested. All in all a necessary (for me), inexpensive upgrade for $165 USD and a little of my own labour.
Thanks ProCycle & Saddlemen.
You didn't mention the process regards removing the old, original foam from the stock seat pan. Was it glued on? Hard to peel off? So ... essentially ... you left out the whole middle of the installation.
Also, did you not GLUE down the new Pro Cycle foam to the pan .... or does it just sit there, held by the cover staples only?
I'm thinking its very good the new foam is stiff to start off. It will definitely break in ... and if it's proper seat foam it won't clap out after a year of use like the junk foam does. Let us know!
I'm glad you mentioned that. The old, original foam from the stock seat pan was barely glued on, a little across the back and a spot or two down the sides. It took a few gentle tugs to pull the old foam off the seat pan. So little glue was used on the old seat that I figured it wouldn't matter, for a bit, if I didn't add any to the new seat until I saw/tested the finished product. Not using glue would allow me to easily adjust the seat in the future, should it be needed. I doubt it will ever be need to be adjusted. After some real world, light and non-destructive future testing it would be very easy to pull staples & cover, add glue between seat foam and pan then re-staple, but I have an easy way to apply the glue without tearing things apart (read below). The new seat vinyl is stretched tightly (perfectly?) over the foam/pan and my overabundant/liberal use of staples should keep it tacked down well. The pan also fits into small foam ridges down the sides of the seat & under a flap of vinyl at the top of the seat which will help keep it from shifting. Should have taken a close up photo of those but didn't. I intend to check on the staples periodically and watch for any foam shift. Hasn't shifted in 20 minutes of use... road, highway and light off-roading.
I was paranoid I was going to bugger something up so I avoided making anything permanent, didn't use any glue between the cover and foam. I've readied/riggedup a syringe with IV tubing to stick up between the foam and seat pan to apply glue when/if needed, so I don't have to tear anything apart. [Edit: Procycle states on their website: "Just stretch on the cover and staple it in place."]
Thanks ADV Grifter.
[Edit: photos/ After 200+ kms of riding on the new seat I'm liking it even more, what a difference compared to stock. No shifting of the cover or seat foam, everything's in the same place]
Above: old stock Suzuki foam and small, flathead screwdriver used to remove staples
Below: new ProCycle foam seat kit with cover - not yet installed on old Suzuki seat pan
Evil, old stock Suzuki seat foam without seat pan and old, not-so-evil cover
This past season of 2011 riding I put another 7,000 km on my DR650, more importantly another 7,000 km on my Procycle/Saddlemen seat. It's softened up slightly but hasn't shifted, hasn't ripped, hasn't faded. The longest trip I did on it in a day was about 400-500 km. I couldn't have done that with the stock seat. It was a hot summer here, we experienced 40c+ days, which is an extreme heatwave considering we had a couple of -40c days in the winter.
The bike sat out at work in the parking lot for hours every day in that heat during the summer. Motorcycles and their ilk don't have to pay for parking in that particular lot so within the first month I saved the cost of the seat kit by taking my DR650 to work. My bum fried each and every day, riding after work, from the seat absorbing all the UV rays. It was a pro/con kind of thing - pro when I had flares of sciatica, the extra heat was soothing and actually helped extend my off-road riding days. When I was already hot and kranky the heat from the seat was a con. If I was smart and actually wore proper riding pants instead of thin cargo pants, I wouldn't have noticed the heat radiating from the seat as much, like when I wore jeans. Proper riding pants will be a definite purchase for 2012. Whether the gel component of the seat helps retain heat more than say a stock seat with thinner foam, I don't really know.
What I do know is that the Procycle seat has performed above and beyond my expectations; it looks and feels like it's still brand new after 7,000 kms of mostly off-roading.
I installed a Seat Concepts seat on my bike this month. Simple install, took about 1/2 hour to complete. Put one on SWMBO's (Write2ride) XT225 at the same time. I have about 300 miles on the new seat and it is incredible. Still easy to stand up, but the wider seat makes it so much more comfortable. My stock and gel seats both had me wanting to get off the bike within 30 minutes. I have done 3 hours nonstop on the new seat and was very comfortable. If you have any doubts, forget them and order this seat, best money I have spent on my bike so far and great people to deal with!
I have the stock seat on my DR. It seems tolerable, even for 1200-mile days. My ass-cheeks have been injected with molten Adamantium, BTW, in a freakish, experimental, government project. I was also spanked frequently as a child...very, very...very frequently. 'Matter of fact, I've probably been cracked on the butt more as an adult than the average person too.
...But maybe that isn't a story for this particular thread. I understand why most people upgrade from the stocker though.
The stock seat on mine was a Corbin.
Didn't stop me chopping it up and adding 5cm to the height and reprofiling it though.
My Corbin now has about 45000 miles on it (the bike now has over 51,000 miles on it). Still in pretty much perfect condition. Last year (that'ld still be 2010!) did 9000 plus miles, including one 13 day 5100 mile trip, this year 8000, including one 10 day 3800 mile trip. I really have no complaints about the Corbin at all. As they say, it works for me!
I installed the Seat Concepts kit on my DR650. Way better than stock. I look at in terms of time vs. butt pain.
30 minutes stock = 1 hour stock + ATV seat pad = 4 hours with Seat Concepts.
I'm guessing Seat Concepts+ATV seat pad would be a ride indefinitely combo but it would be a shame to cover up such a nice looking seat.
I've read a few guys recommending them, but have yet to read anyone doing serious miles in them per day (800 mile days and up).
Are Fisher clients the most grammatically challenged saddle buyers, or is no-one really riding them the distances that Corbins and Seargeants get ridden?
110,000km on my modded Corbin. Did fill up a few times though...
As I have a 30" inseam my 2012 DR650SE was impossibly tall. I was on tip toe at every stop on the way home from the dealer's in Sierra Vista, Arizona, to my home in Bisbee.
Fortunately, one of my good friends is a dirt bike suspension specialist and he lowered the DR according to Suzuki factory procedures. This allegedly lowered the bike 1 to 1/2 inches. Still too tall, but better. The stock seat, after a 60 mile break-in ride, was clearly unfriendly to my backside. As in burning butt and constant standing on the pegs for relief, which got me stopped by a cop who thought I was "stunt riding." When I explained my dilemma he let me go sans ticket.
So I bought the factory Suzuki gel seat because it's 1" lower than the stock seat. With the factory specs lowering and the gel seat my (then new) DR became much more friendly.
One caveat: After being parked outside in the Arizona sun for an hour or two the gel seat heated up to the point where, once again, I found my self standing up on the pegs. It's a 25 mile ride through mountains to my abode in Bisbee from Sierra Vista and upon arriving the gel seat was still warm!
There had to be a fix, as the seat was relatively comfortable. The fix finally arrived from Alaska Leathers in the form of a dark gray sheepskin cover made specifically for the DR seat.
Problem solved. No more hot seat. As a bonus, the sheepskin makes the seat lots more comfortable.
At my age (84) my long-distance touring is basically over with but I still don't mind 100+ days at all. If I were younger I'd be buying some of the seats to try out that all of you have been talking about.