DR650SE Index Topic # 9 ELECTRICAL/LIGHTING

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by Krusty ..., Nov 8, 2010.

  1. Adv Grifter

    Adv Grifter on the road o'dreams

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    I had good luck calling DDM in SoCal ... got my package two days later. Both my single bulb kits came from DDM in SoCal ... the Hi-Lo beam kit (which I sent back) came from China ... you won't believe the packaging!! and it took about 3 weeks.

    When I decided to send the Hi-Lo kit back ... I called. Sent it in, got the new kit and a refund for the difference ... all in less than a week.
    Good luck.
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  2. ADVBedouin

    ADVBedouin fly pelican!

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    I got the same setup as Grifter, 4500 bulb tho, but I plugged mine in the same way he did;

    HID is on low beam, & switching to high beam turns it off. It's nice to have the blue highbeam indicator light to remind me it's off. I also turn off my light before stopping, & like keeping it off when I first start the bike so it has more juice during start up. Although I've only wheeled it out into the street at night, no chance for any night rides yet. Mine came from China after @ 10 days (wow!) and it installed really easily. What an amazing difference in light output for $40 clams.

    I zip-tied the ballast, & ignitor, to the top of the metal headlight ring (that holds the headlight) & they fit perfectly on there. I also used 2 small strips of 3M dual adhesive to keep them from moving around too much under the zipties. FYI, I also cut/installed 3M clear vinyl onto the headlight lens to protect it from rockchips...think it came from Miner's hardware.

    Thanks again for the install pics Grifter, worked like a charm.

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  3. sagedrifter

    sagedrifter Southern Explorer

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    My DDM HID kit is still in China after 6 days or so since I ordered. Took 3 days to get the shipping notice so, its only been 3 days since it shipped. I might get it next week....

    The kit cost me $44.63. Its cheap enough at $25 plus shipping. :clap

    Its gotta be better than stock, plus I need power for my jacket liner. :deal
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  4. Adv Grifter

    Adv Grifter on the road o'dreams

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    Your very welcome, glad it's worked out.

    Not all Heated gear is created equal. My Gerbing jacket (now 10 years old!!) draws 77 watts. It may be that the newer "mil spec" Gerbing require fewer Watts to run at 100%? Dunno. Sounds like BS to me.

    I also have a Warm & Safe jacket. (given to mag for review) It's a bit nicer than the Gerbing but draws 94 watts, IIRC. W & S now make a jacket model that draws just 60 watts. No idea if it's any good.

    W & S now contract with First Gear (or is it Tour Master?) to make elec. gear under their name. Mike, the W & S guy, has been at this for over a decade, refining and improving. He is also the inventor of the the original "Heat Troller". Gerbing stole his design ... but he got even.:D

    Mike's Heat Troller really helps get the most out of the Jacket using the lowest power. Very efficient device. Plugging a Gerbing or W & S straight into the bike will work but on the DR will run your battery down and eventually the jacket won't work very well. The Heat Troller changes all that. It constantly cycles ON/OFF ... this allows battery to sort of keep up.

    The HID bulb in theory gives you back 20 watts. This makes a difference on my bike using my Gerbing jacket. The jacket puts out a bit more heat. Running stock headlight my Gerbing was not 100% warm, even though battery was not low or dead.

    Of course, in daylight riding when in super cold ... I switch off my headlight and run both Gerbing AND heated grips at 100% with good results. But 200 watt output is never going to be luxurious.

    But all that said my Gerbing jacket works BEST on my 475 watt output Triumph Tiger 1050. The new 800 Tiger puts out 650 watts!! The new 1200 Tiger Explorer puts out 900 watts! :eek1

    Take care how you AIM your HID. It's very very bright. Yesterday out riding in West Marin (motorcycle paradise West) I saw a guy on a KLR coming towards me ... and his fucking HID light just about blinded me. WAY too much! and it was aimed way too high ... and all this during bright daylight.

    Today, I saw a serious Iron Butt type guy riding some sort of very fancy Scooter. All tricked out. He had some sort of UNGODLY bright, flashing headlight. PLUS really bright dual driving lights, plus Fog lights. Talk about Target Fixation ... I nearly drove straight at the guy. He looked like an emergency vehicle. I'm thinking the cops will be pulling him over very shortly. :lol3 Wish I'd taken a pic.
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  5. sagedrifter

    sagedrifter Southern Explorer

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    If I remember right, my jacket liner pulls 66 watts on high, I never run it on high though. More like a low setting with the heated grips on high when its in the 40's. If I run both, I shut the head light off.

    I would like to run the liner and grips on low while riding on cool days with the HID light. When its real cold, I just wear my winter gloves and use the liner on a higher setting. With heavy gloves the heated grips don't really matter anyway. I do have heated gloves, haven't used them on the DR though. Usually I'm fine if my core stays toasty. I don't want to push the stator too hard. When I get the HID installed I think I'll try the gloves and jacket at 50% and see what happens.

    I really need to get a voltage guage. I just use my VOM and check it breifly when I try something new.

    I'll probably install the Procycle stator this year and give it a go. Just don't have the money to spend on the stator and a new regulator presently... Hopefully I will later on. I'll have to see about the $$$ for 50 watts... :eek1

    Maybe yes maybe no... I have gotten by on the 200 watts since 2007...:rofl
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  6. Adv Grifter

    Adv Grifter on the road o'dreams

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    You can get 50 watts ... free ... by just re-orienting the hook ups on the stock Stator. But at idle ... you will be discharging. Just shut off headlight in stop and go traffic.

    But anything over 2000 rpm, you're back up 50 watts from stock output. Lots of documentation on this here on ADV. Nordie boy just mentioned it on the big thread a day or two ago. There is a whole thread about it by a EE guy. I think it's called the DIY re-wire ...? or something like that.

    I'm happy with stock output for now ... and have a spare OEM Stator just in case ... but the DIY is the best deal and it's reversible.

    The KLR guys (and others) have got roped into buying expensive aftermarket Stators and RR's over the years. Most all of them are J U N K ... and fail within a year. Even outfits like Rickey Stator and other USA based companies have a spotty reputation.

    I have no idea which Stator Pro Cycle carries, where it's made, who makes it or if it's any good. But if he gets his elec. components the same place he gets his "All Balls" bearings ... I'd give a wide berth. :D

    PS: you can't "Push" the stator too hard on the DR. IIRC, it's output is constant, no matter the load. It shunts excess current to the RR as waste heat. What happens to Stator's is they get very very hot ... and MELT. (connections and insulation on coils). Hard to imagine since they live in an oil bath ... but it happens.
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  7. sagedrifter

    sagedrifter Southern Explorer

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    Yeah, I've never seen an aftermaket stator last. But, I haven't heard a negative thing about the procycle stator either, a few people are running them.

    It will take a while to prove the durability. I will probably stay stock till something fries, I doubt I'll have the money for the stator upgrade. I rather spend it on a nice trip to the smokeys.

    I'm pulling an estimated 64 watts with my heated gear so, the 35 watt HID head light might work just fine. I do turn off the jacket liner when I an going slow with the RPMs down.
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  8. Olas

    Olas the darkness

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    Looking at getting the HID kit from DDM but have a question...I've decided on the 5000k but which bulb type are you guys using on the DR650? Is it the H4 type?
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  9. Adv Grifter

    Adv Grifter on the road o'dreams

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    It's been a while now ... and I can't recall if I ordered the 4500K or 5000K.
    The HID is basically an H-4 bulb but you only use two of the prongs.

    It's Win Win all the way. Super bright, easy to install, very low heat ... and so far they seem to be rugged and hold up to vibration and shock.

    Look, this Chinese HID lights will not be cheap for long. ALL Chinese stuff will be ramping up sharply in price. Soon! I bought an extra HID bulb ... I think the spare was $12. Hopefully the Ignitor and Ballast will last. But who knows? Compared to what Pro Cycle are selling and others that cost hundreds ... the DDM Tuning is a steal. ALL are essentially the same thing.
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  10. sagedrifter

    sagedrifter Southern Explorer

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    DDM's days may be numberd. Customs has them in their sights, they are drop shipping directly from China now. It takes about a month to get one now. Who knows how long that will last. These kits are non DOT, off road only in the eyes of govment types....

    I get leds from Hong Kong and customs is taking a week or more in China and another week for US customs and about 5 days for travel time.... That's for totally innocent flash light led's.

    The 4500K bulbs give out the most light.

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  11. sagedrifter

    sagedrifter Southern Explorer

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    Well, the results are back on the DDM 35 watt kit I bought.I finally got it installed and I was yacking about it in another thread. Thought I should pile on to what you guys already know. Its actually brighter than I expected, the 35 watt version washes the head lamp enough. :D

    Nice quality stuff, good connectors, hefty ballast. Mine came with the power wires ran through the rubber boot thing. Once I got those pulled out and free the install went fast.

    The 4500K bulb is pure white, no blue. Overall, I like it much better than stock. No complaints, ADV Grifters pics made the install almost thoughtless. I placed the ballast on the head lamp frame, I had plenty of room for the parts. I rode with it tonight again and I'm still smiling. The white light and the fill helps a lot on dark roads. Good bang for the buck. I should have done the install years ago. :1drink
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  12. Adv Grifter

    Adv Grifter on the road o'dreams

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    Cool, glad my install helped out. :thumb
    I thought the same thing "... should have done this the first week I got the bike!!"

    I actually rode around in Mexico at night with the stock headlight ... in the dirt! :lol3 (well, we were drunk ... had to get back to the hotel ... and my "buddy" knew a short cut ... through the desert! :eek1) Stock headlight was truly pitiful by comparison.

    The darker the road the better the HID works. The good news is ... no one flashes me ... which surprised me. Some times an adjustment is needed on the angle but mine was OK.

    Cheers! :freaky
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  13. garnaro

    garnaro MotoBlunderer

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    Your install instructions helped me out a bunch too Grifter, thanks. I did a baja trip a few weeks ago and got caught riding the the dark a couple times - this 55W HID saved my ass!
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  14. kobudo28

    kobudo28 Banned

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    Pro Cycle is selling a higher output stator, 250 watt, plus 50 over the stocker,for those of you who do not want to rewire yours with the Delta configuration.
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  15. Adv Grifter

    Adv Grifter on the road o'dreams

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    In case anyone wants to do a Stator re-wire there is good info here:

    Stator Thread has resurfaced .. !!!
    <hr style="color:#575757; background-color:#575757" size="1"> For anyone with Stator questions ... and a REAL lesson on MC electrics, please go read this thread:

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189734


    It's the best on ADV that I have seen .. and lots of ideas on rewiring your DR stator without buying an aftermarket one. :freaky
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  16. epix1718

    epix1718 Been here awhile

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    For you guys that are running the Bi-Xenon Hi/Lo HID lights, how are you wired up for power? I tapped into the the speedometer light wires (using Vapor unit so removed stock speedo). When cranking the bike at startup the light flickers on/off until the bike is running at which time the light remains on. Beyond installing a switch to use before starting the bike, is there another place I could tap into that only run the lights when the bike is running?
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  17. Aerocycle

    Aerocycle Been here awhile

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    Make sure its switched power. I tapped into the spare connector near the speedo, its switched and I have zero Issues. If you bought the hi/lo kit, wiring gets a little tricky, I wrote a post a few pages back and tried to explain it well. For me it works beautifully, Just having the brighter low is great, but flicking it up to high beam is priceless. I ride a lot of back country roads at night. :freaky

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  18. Aerocycle

    Aerocycle Been here awhile

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    Yes, get H4.

    Just decide whether you want hi/lo option.
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  19. Badger DR

    Badger DR n00b

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    First official post.

    I have lurked for a while and have become addicted. No big rides thus far and I do want to find another larger bike aside from my farkled DR.

    Wanted to post something helpful upfront and after ripping off side rear turn signals wanted to find something with an integrated running, brake, turn and license light. Found a cheap Ducati unit on Amazon and took a shot. I adjusted it slightly to fit better just under the rear fender bolting through the original sub fender. I did rase the rear fender 1/2-3/4 of an inch to give it a bit better angle to traffic.

    So far I am happy. I did lose a few LED's and i am already working to find something more robust, but this has survived a few spills some high speed desert riding over nasty terrain so I can't complain too much.

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  20. M1Jeep

    M1Jeep Long timer

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    I recently purchased one of these car kits from eBay for under $60 shipped (they're located in California) and they come with double of everything so you have spare parts plus a 2-year warranty. These are bi-xenon bulbs so you retain both high & low beams. I have purchased a kit designated for motorcycles from a reputable seller but it crapped out in less than an hour. I have had this one installed for a week now, a few hundred miles later and it still works.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/160474332716#ht_6638wt_920

    Another comparable seller:
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/HID-CONVERSION-KIT-Bi-Xenon-9003-H4-9004-9007-H13-Hi-Lo-/350418364401?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item51968fe7f1&vxp=mtr#ht_5315wt_952

    Low beam only:
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/260657271399?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_3645wt_1139