DR650SE Index Topic # 9 ELECTRICAL/LIGHTING

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by Krusty ..., Nov 8, 2010.

  1. sagedrifter

    sagedrifter Southern Explorer

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    That brand is well known as crap. QC is very poor. A simple Google search for xentech will give a few thousand "its garbage threads". On cars, the suckers last a year some times, many don't last 6 months. Most of the kids around here buy them and you see them often with one eyed go fast honda civics and such.:rofl

    I have the 35 watt kit from DDM and it is well made. Nice white 4500K bulb.

    The kits are not DOT legal, so keep that in mind. The 35 watt is brighter than a H4 high beam. So, its like running around with a high beam X 4 or more.
  2. WilderRider

    WilderRider Long timer

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    Some of you helpful persons may recall, that I recently had the pick up sensor coil fail on my 2007 with 22,611 miles. I was replaced the failed PUSC (which I got for $39.00 from Regulator Rectifier).

    I get my gasket for the stator side and get everything reassembled. It fired up just fine in neutral (after changing the wires as suggested. It is red to blue and white to green to run correctly).
  3. Olas

    Olas the darkness

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    So, for you guys who have installed the DDM HID bulbs on their DRs:

    Did you notice the bulb was loose in its socket? It wiggles more than I'd like...anyone else notice this? Should I be concerned?
  4. Adv Grifter

    Adv Grifter on the road o'dreams

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    I assume you've checked out my posts on this on page 3, post 35?

    Do you mean the bulb is loose in the plastic housing that it came in?
    Or do you mean the plastic slotted housing is loose in the DR650 headlight
    housing? I found the stock spring clip held everything pretty snug. (see my pics on this on the post) If the bulb is loose ... then maybe send it back.
    I never touched mine so did not notice any looseness of the bulb in the housing.

    Riding down the road, my bulb does not giggle ... like you see with some funky car headlights as they go down the road .... very distracting.
    Mine are steady. Good luck with this. DDM guys were good to deal with when you call. I was lucky, got one of the actual techs on the phone.

    I'm buying a spare bulb before the prices go up too high. Around $12 or $15 last I checked.
  5. Olas

    Olas the darkness

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    Yep, I mean the bulb is loose in the plastic housing that it came in..

    First order I put in DDM sent me the wrong bulb, it was a 3000k instead of the 5000k I ordered and I've noticed that both were this way... the bulb is definitely not seated well enough to prevent movement in its housing. The unit itself fits perfect in the head light...that is not an issue.

    I need to look into this, with all the vibrations from riding offroad I just don't see the bulb lasting if it's rattling all the time.
  6. sagedrifter

    sagedrifter Southern Explorer

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    My recently installed DDM bulb is secure, its rigid, no flex in the bulb itself.

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  7. M1Jeep

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    Loose bulb in its self-contained housing? And this has happened to you more than once? Really? :scratch And I was told DDM was the superior brand whose shit didn't stink. :rofl As far as I'm concerned, all of these inexpensive, Chinese made HID kits are ALL cheap and ALL have the potential of bad quality control. Some people just tend to have shittier luck than others. DDM is not the only brand out there folks. Besides, why in hell would anyone want to wait 3-weeks for their purchase to come all the way from China? :rolleyes I had mine in two days from a local vendor.

    I am happy with my xentech kit. It's a car kit so it comes with two of everything for back-up parts. Cut the 2nd headlight harness extension with a pair of dikes and run the +/- wires along the frame to your battery, or to the spare wire under the cowl.

    BTW, did any of you read that thread where DDM was falsely advertising all ranges of the color temp spectrum when in reality they only offered four? So your 4500k bulb (didn't know 4500k existed) may not be "4500k". :deal

    DDM Tuning Lawsuit:
    http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?123791018-Like-DDM-tunning-!-Read-this-you-ll-be-surprised

    DDM Tuning not making HID lights anymore:
    http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=21076341&postcount=1
  8. sagedrifter

    sagedrifter Southern Explorer

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    Lots of bs out there. I like my DDM kit. Much better than the usual ebay crap.

    I received a nice bulb with zero blue tint. I wanted a white light and the 4500k is exactly what they advertise.

    I'm sure China screws up on occasion, who doesn't. I bet DDM will fix the mistakes if they even occurred.

    DDM does not make the kits, they drop ship them from China. They just know which ones to get. China produces lots of stuff that's useful, you have to get through the junk products and find the oem spec stuff. :D

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  9. Olas

    Olas the darkness

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    Not gonna send it back...it takes too long to get anything from China and I already had to send my first one back due to getting the wrong temperature bulb.

    Anyway, I didn't touch the bulb either, it was visibly loose...sounds like I'm not the only one that has found this according to google.. Also, during my test ride It seemed very steady, the light output at these temps might be soft enough to cover up any shaking while riding... I'll give ddm a call and see what they say. Plus, you only have the low beam, correct? This might only be an issue with the hi/lo bulbs..

    Edit: Ok, spoke to a DDM tech and he said that this is how the hi/lo bulbs are designed. When you switch to high beam the bulb retracts (or viceversa, not sure) but due to this there will be some side by side play. I asked him about vibration over long term use and he said it should not be an issue...I am ok with this, the beam does jump or flicker so as long as it lasts I can live with this.
  10. Adv Grifter

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    How much experience do you have with HID kits? Have you tried a half dozen brands to know what you're even talking about?

    The fact is, if you look at most kits, it's obvious they ALL come from the same factory in China. ... and by the way ... what did you pay for your kit?
    I paid about $27 for mine.

    It's the middle men crooks who are making the money here. They do a bit of cosmetic manipulation and quadruple the price. I've seen many kits for up over $150.

    BTW ... DDM have been making HID kits for cars for years. Bikes came later.


    I did not have to cut anything on my install, nor run extra wires back to battery or to ground. On an adventure bike simple things are best. If my HID should ever fail I can replace stock bulb and have it all working in minutes, not hours.

    Excellent news! Glad you got an explanation.
    You are correct ... my bulb is the single, 35W version.

    My DDM has been flawless ... on both my DR and my 1050 Triumph.
    On the DR I can now run my Gerbing at 100% with grips on HI and battery does not go dead ... like it did with stock H4/55W bulb. So that 20 watts seems to help! Granted, the Gerbing will still not get it's warmest when everything is on, works better in day time scenario. At night I try not to exceed about 75% on the Gerbing and keep grips on Low, just to be in safe side.
  11. M1Jeep

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    Yes, they are all made in China and like you said - maybe from the same factory.

    Firstly, I bought the ProCycle bi-xenon HID kit for $79.95 + shipping and it stopped working after the first day. The lo beam went out after 10-minutes, and the high beam after 2-hours.

    I paid $31.99 (+ free shipping) for my single 35w version and it was delivered in two days. It is plug and play with no cutting and comes with two of everything. Then I decided I wanted hi/lo and paid an addtl $25 for two xenon hi/lo bulbs. So now I have a total of four bulbs - two single 35w, and two bi-xenon bulbs. Once you opt for hi/lo bi-xenon bulbs, regardless of the name brand, there are more wires required to run them - two leads that go to the battery and a relay. There is a set of plugs in this addtl wiring for the 2nd HID light (cars only), which I removed. The wiring setup is identical to that of the ProCycle unit but now I have two of everything. 500 miles later and it still works fine (knock on wood...it's made in China!). Switching back to the OEM bulb simply involves swapping out bulbs and plugging the OEM connector back into it. Minutes not hours here. Removal of all the HID wiring is not required to return to stock form.

    To each his own. I'm just laying out more options here for fellow DR650 owners. My intentions here are not to insult anyone but to raise awareness that the DDM kits are not the holy grail of Chinese HID kits. They all have the potential to be a POS. There are a lot of HID kits out there that can be had for cheap and with some luck the kit may work long enough to justify the costs.

    If your DDM kit is working for you as expected, then more power to you. If it is not, you now have information for other options at a comparable price.



  12. Adv Grifter

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    Sounds great.
    What company did you buy your kit from and where are they located? I really like the "2 Days" part! Post their link so we can shop and compare with DDM Tuning.
  13. M1Jeep

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    35w single HID:
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/260657271399?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_3645wt_1139

    After ordering the 35w single (comes with two 35w single bulbs), I contacted the seller for the bi-xenon bulbs. $25 via PayPal and another two days later and I am good to go.

    Or, you can just order the bi-xenon kit below right out the gate but you'll only get the two bi-xenon bulbs. Same dude, just has two different seller ID's.

    35w bi-xenon HID:
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/160474332716?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_6638wt_920
  14. sagedrifter

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    Its just xentech, plastic ballast, short lived etc.

    There are some better looking kits on ebay for more than the DDM stuff. I didn't feel like risking over $100... :eek:

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  15. Olas

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    Here's some pics of the DDM Tuning 35W High/Low Kit...Install is easy, just cut off the excess wires and extend the battery leads. One thing about it annoys me though, and its how loose the bulb is. It is "bouncy" in low beam mode, but much less in high beam mode. This is due to the design of the high/low bulb and I'm not sure if there's much that can be done to fix this, if there is - I'm all ears.

    The improvement over stock is vast, and I like having the high beam option. Only complaints are the shaky low beam and all the crap you have to mount to make this work...Eventually I see myself going the LED route, the Baja Designs squadron headlight is nice but a bit pricey for me at the moment.

    Low beam:

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    High:

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    It's kind of hard to see in the pictures but in high mode the beam extends out and to the sides about 2X more than the low beam. Low beam is barely as wide as the road, where as the high beam is almost twice the width of the road.
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    sagedrifter Southern Explorer

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    Pr0xy Shreddin' the gnar

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    I just installed the ProCycle kit. Install was SUPER easy and I'm very satisfied with the result so far. The only brief issue I had was finding a good ground and the cable only gives you about 1 ft to play with. Turns out there's a cable "holder" mounted just under the speedo with 1 bolt that works perfect.

    I may adjust my headlight up slightly as I think both the high and low beams are both a touch low without any adjustment.

    Hopefully this kit will last.
  19. Ride-til-sore!

    Ride-til-sore! still 20 in-my-mind

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    I am trying to have more lights on for safety on my DR. My old XT225 had the front turn signal lights on all the time along with the head light. How would i go about making that happen on my DR? Would I have to put on new turn signal light sockets?
  20. Adv Grifter

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    I don't have a quick easy answer but I know this is possible ... on any bike.
    And I agree ... it's a good idea for safety. However, realize your DR has limited elec. output, so maybe put a switch inline while you're at it to cut off the "Always On" turn signal lights when needed. (daytime riding?)

    I'm guessing you'll need different sockets to allow twin element bulbs. There are probably other, more elegant ways to do this though using LED bulbs or whatever or a kit?

    I'm thinking you can source power from the tail light circuit to power the "always on" element on your dual element turn signal bulb. The other element can use existing turn signal power.

    I believe there may also may be a "Kit" that does all this for you, a more "Plug & Play" set up. I know I've seen it ... can't recall where or when.