DR650SE vs. KLX250S.....how different offroad?

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  1. Drilldogger

    Drilldogger Been here awhile

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    I have an 07klx250s and I love it! Commute to work 40 mins each way, longer on the way home when I'm riding the trails. I've ridden with faster riders on faster bikes (katooms in single track), and I can keep up, I just have to work a lot harder.
    Now I want to sell my street bike and buy a 650D/S probably japanese. I plan on keeping both D/S s the little one with knobbies and the bigger one with 50/50s on it.
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  2. Sparrowhawk

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    Your summation looks about right. I'm not sure the WR250R is that much better a dirt bike than the KLX250S but it is a better all around bike for a higher price. The WRR weighs about the same as the KLX and the suspension quality is similar. The engine is better in every way.

    Here is another take. I know you like to put both feet on the ground. It is a common desire. Since you are hauling, not riding slab, to the off-road area you might at least think about a KTM 450 or 525/30 EXC. Yes, the seat it higher BUT they are much lighter and the suspension is much better. As a result, you won't need to use your feet as often as you will on a DR, KLX, or WRR. Your rides will be more enjoyable and less tiring because of the lower weight and better control. You will become a more skilled rider sooner because the bikes work for you instead of against.

    The KLX and WRR are only a little lighter than my beefy KTM 640 LC4E. A DR650 weighs 360 pounds, my LC4E 340 pounds, a KTM 690 310 pounds, the KLX and WRR are 300 pounds, the 450 & 525/530 EXCs 250 pounds, and the TE 310/250 235 pounds. 50 pounds difference in weight off-road is huge.

    I have a riding buddy with a KLX and I'm not sure it is any easier to ride on technical off-road trails than my LC4E. It is a little lighter but the engine is less tractable. A 250 should be light (and the 2011 Husky TE 310/250 are and street legal) but the KLX and WRR are no feather weights. A 250 takes more revs to make the same power so you end up with a lighter bike that is in some ways is not that easy to ride on the trail. At the same power output a 450 or 525 is chugging along where the 250 is reving with a more peaky power curve.

    The penalty with a 450/525/530 EXC or TE 310/250 is more frequent oil changes and valve checks but both are quick tasks. Just because a bike is designed to race doesn't mean it is difficult to ride casually. The EXCs excel at both and are very durable and reliable when ridden at less than race pace. The price could be comparible if you are considering both used and new bikes.
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  3. tbirdsp

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    I wouldn't even consider any of them except the KLX and WR.

    A distant 3rd might be a DR-Z400S ( I had one). The 5 speed sucks and even though it's not that much heavier than the KLX/WR it *felt* a lot heavier than my KLX. Seat height probably similar to the WR too.
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  5. LCubanaso

    LCubanaso Adventure Crasher

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    Thought I'd provide an update to all those that provided feedback.

    In January of this year, I purchased a left-over 2009 KLX250S.

    Boy am I glad!!!!!!! :D

    I have to say, those of you that said I would definitely notice a difference moving to a 250 from the 650 were absolutely correct. :clap

    This past weekend I took the KLX on one of the trails that I had ridden on the DR650. Let me tell you, WORLD OF DIFFERENCE.

    Not only am I in much more control of the motorcycle, but I have to work much less to get through technical rocky sections and rough stuff. :thumb

    On the street/road, the KLX obviously gives up significant power compared to the DR650. Specifically, I have to make better use of downshifting when approaching steep hills. However, having said that, the KLX250 still has enough power to haul my 250lb butt to 80MPH (speedo) on Route 23. Bike still had some left in her, but I didn't think that kinda speed on a little 250 was a good idea.

    Additionally, the seat on the KLX250 seems a little more comfortable than the seat on the DR650.

    Finally, since I'm sure one of you will post the obligatory "this thread is useless without pictures........."

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  6. eyedragaknee

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    Had DR650 and DRZ400
    No comparison for what you want to do.

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  7. LCubanaso

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    Everytime I get into some good offroad areas, I remember how much I hated this type of terrain on the DR650. No doubt, the DR can take it......but I didn't like it. :eek1

    The KLX is so good offroad, that the DR has been relegated to more of an adventure touring bike (like it should be).

    Its really hard to describe, but I feel tremendously more comfortable handling the KLX on technical trails. The KLX feels like a mountain bike compared to the DR.

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  8. ohenry

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    The race KTM's and Husky's are great off road but suck in comparison to the WR250r and KLX250s as a dual sport on the street. I have owned an 02 400 exc and an 04 450exc and my buddy has the 2013 500exc and after riding them back to back with my 09 KLX250s the KLX is smooth as silk on the street. I had an 01 640e. The LC4 640 is 50lbs heavier than the WR and KLX and the vibes will rattle you to death oh and where is the 6th gear? I also have owned an 08 TE250 and again great off road bad on the street. I had an 08 WR250r and I did not like the rear of the bike being too tall and I am 6 feet tall on hills or even at a stop light it was up my bum. I also felt the motor had a bunch of vibrations way more than the KLX and I find the KLX has better suspension overall. The new KLX's have the best speedos!

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    My twin brother has a DR650 and I test rode it and had a blast. Torque for days! Off road it did well on grass and curbs super soft and comfy.

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  9. Ddgfarm

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    I had the same experience when I added a KLX250 to the stable for offroad use. I have a KLR and found the KLX250 is a huge difference for offroad. I modded the KLX to be dirt biased (i.e. geared down and knobbies). I found it to be a great addition. Both bikes are fun for the right purpose.

    Since adding to the KLX was such good move (for me), of course, I want more. Now I am wondering if I take it the next level by going to a KTM or Husky 250 will that be a similiar improvement. It will be more power with less weight. Has anybody that made the jump from the Japanese 250 dual sports to the dualsport race bikes? Can you comment on the how much easier/more fun offroad it is.

    I don't really want to race or jump. I just want to be able to get through gnarly trails or hills with less of a struggle.
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  10. Foot dragger

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    A KLX would be smaller then a DR,and somewhat lighter,but dont they still weigh over 300lbs? You would have two heavy cheaply built dualsport bikes.
    Both with wobbly cheap suspension.

    Just for laughs,find a dirtbike,plated or not and ride a light bike just once,the lack of weight will be a revelation,excess weight is what turns a save into a crash.
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  11. Foot dragger

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    Ive taken it to the point where I ride a 09 KTM200,I would no more ride a 300lb bike on tight trails then wrestle a gorilla.
    Way more fun,way easier and I think,safer,easier on my body.
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  12. ohenry

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    You can't just plate a dirt bike in most states they are cracking down at the DMV. It took me three trips to the title office here in GA to get my 08 TE250 tagged in all 6 months. Do not mistake the KLR and the KLX they are apples and oranges. I see no build quality issues at all so you can keep your cheaply made comment. Also the DR650 will out last the 640 hands down. Again we are not talking about race bikes they are purpose made 50/50 dual sports. Mine has been on the scale at 275lbs which sounds heavy but it does not feel it at all.
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  13. trainman

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    Wow, this thread was almost two years old, them it was resurrected yesterday, I hope the original poster got his bike choices worked out by now.

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  14. wblogg1

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    Another KLX lover here :D. I had a my KLR for 4 years until buying the KLX. I thought the KLR was good/fine offroad and boy was I wrong. Actually bought the KLX for my wife and she wouldn't ride so I took it a few times and MAN WHAT A DIFFERENCE. Yes the KLX is a little sluggish but I put a 12t sprocket on the front and that made a huge difference. KLX has 14,000 miles and is still very dependable, no issues, cranks everytime and I would buy it again in a heart beat.
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  15. 00Buck

    00Buck dirt rules

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    I own both and prefer the DR650 for 90% of the riding I do.
    Of course the KLX is better on single track for obvious reasons.

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