Draft EIS for Public Comment for Rico West Dolores Roads and Trails

Discussion in 'The Rockies – It's all downhill from here...' started by The Fist, May 5, 2016.

  1. mylsmkj

    mylsmkj Long timer

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    Are you going to be available tomorrow for a call? I'd like to write a seemingly well thought out compelling comments.
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    sure buddy. I will do my best!
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    Guys. I am waiting to hear back what Alternatives RTA (Rico Trails Association), a mtn bike group, what they have in mind. They want to help support motos , but probably aren't behind Alt A. Out of respect for them, I want to see what they are thinking. I wrote probably too fast of a knee jerk letter last night, not wanting to give up anything. I just don't like the alternatives so I don't want to give up too much, but i truly feel there are better compromises that benefits more if the true users. It's just not in their current alternatives.
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    Basically, they want Burnett non motorized and are in support of keeping Horse motorized. I can live with that but like I told Sophia, if theres lightning I'm going down Burnett and the only thing that will stop me is getting struck by lightning. ha! Its good to have them working with us. I think they want Ryman non motorized too but I'm not into that idea at all. They say to compromise but they are not at risk of losing anything so... Cant' get 100% behind that.
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    My problem with this whole thing is I understand there will inevitably be some compromise. Instead of closing Burnett, wouldn't it be easier to designate it a downhill only, like Black Bear. Then it gives safety of legal escape route. That would theoretically cut traffic in half in that neighborhood. It also eliminates one of the easier ways to get up to the top, which may not be a bad thing. I just don't like the alternatives. I don't like things like Bear Creek under fire, because that creates a great connection to Gold Run/Mancos trails. To me, keeping people spread out lessens impact and conflicts. I would prefer better loops, instead of random connections. I guess I am frustrated with the options, but curious what they are thinking, could it be a possible better position to line up more with this group, town leaders? I don't honestly know right now. It could be short sighted to think we had overwhelming support so we should have this won, and then be let down, or have a greater reach with a more diverse and unified group. I'm curious to hear other perspectives.
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    I've never seen it done anywhere but one could propose use of only trials rear tire or hybrid tires for some of those that are borderline.... kind of like a seasonal closure. It might swing the decision in our favor!

    But ultimately I like the way that you're thinking on this!
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    I had mentioned earlier looking into things like what I saw in Bozeman. One of the popular areas had closures to Moto alternating days. Lessens traffic, better than losing it 100%. I don't know, would rather not lose any, but thinking what more reasonable options are.
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    Anyone with an interest in this area, do get your comments in. The Rico Trails Alliance, the newly formed mtn bike group, has put out their official letter in support of Alt B or C. I agree with Tom that it is easier for them to go for those, because they aren't really losing anything. Alt A is probably still our best choice for least amount of loss of trails. I know it seems inevitable that Burnett will go away. I would prefer at least a one way rule for downhill, but as stated earlier, I would do probably do it anyway if the conditions warranted that for my safety. I still just wish there were better choices, smaller steps to do before closures. All of the RTA letters suggest closure of East Fork until wetlands are better mitigated. The real answer should be to keep the western half open and once you hit the logging road, stay on that and keep just the upper/eastern part closed until better routing around the boggy area can be done. That keeps 3/4 of the trail open, which is better than closing it all indefinitely while the forest service drags their feet on a re route.
    There seems to be a lot of a form letter for Alt E being submitted from Durango.
    Just a reminder for getting more letters out. I was hoping to have more synergy with RTA, but they do represent different interests.
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    Shocker alert! We got fucked on this deal.
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    Whats the scoop?
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    Basically you can't make any decent loops or go into Rico. Little bear, Bear, winter, horse, Burnett, spring creek and ryman all got axed. There's an objection period that lasts 45 days for anyone who commented initially. I'll post more info when I cool off, in about a month. I'm already planning a protest ride for next summer. Join me!
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    I commented. Need ammunition cuz I've never ridden there..yet. I took my cue on what to say from what I learned on here and TPA.

    If I remember right, the initial draft (or whatever it was) wasnt too bad. This sounds much worse.

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    Far worse than I had hoped for or expected. Rico totally cut off.
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    Idiots....
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    I'm hearing an appeal from TPA and SJTR is in the works.... send them your moneys$
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    Rock Junkee Been here awhile

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    Just seen on Bookliff Rattlers face book that they are matching donations up to 1000$ look em up guys. Pitch in if you can help please please please please.
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    Sorry dude, I posted that other thread with shitty internet in Central America. So who’s going to bat? I want to support the cause!

    Are the business’ in Rico upset? That would cost them revenue I would assume!
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    Anyone have any update regarding legal action being taken or have any useful logic besides what we already used in our initial submissions? Anyone submitted any complaints yet? Please do share if you have. The deadline for submission of complaints and rebuttals is Jan. 14, 2018, which of course is well-timed to take place during the busiest 60 day window of the year. My view is this outcome was planned all along and the "process" they went through was just a ruse to allow the pre-determined decision to be implemented.
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    This has been the norm in EVERY land use battle I have been in in the past 15 years.

    Its a box they have to check. They don't give two fucks our input.