Dual Sport tire comparison

Discussion in 'Equipment' started by rickypanecatyl, Apr 15, 2009.

  1. rickypanecatyl

    rickypanecatyl SE Asia adventure tours

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    I know dual sport tires are a compromise. What I'm hoping for here is that with some more knowledgeable people than myself we could compile a database comparing dualsport tires to each other in 4 categories:
    1. Off road capability
    2. On road capability
    3. Longevity
    4. Price

    I know those first 2 categories could be broken down more and the longevity category is pretty can vary greatly. I was thinking of just throwing some of the more popular tires out there, rating them on a scale of 1-10 and as we go we could "fine tune it".

    Lately I've been using Pirelli MT 21's. For me they are the high watermark for 50/50 on road off road. I personally would rate them

    1. 8/10 off road
    2. 6/10 on road
    3. 4/10 longevity (I presently have 4,300 miles on mine which is a record. They are almost bald. They lost about 1/2 the tread in 600 miles but from there they start wearing a lot slower. Thus I know guys competing off road or where money is no issue they would replace them at 600 miles not 4,000)
    4. 5/10 price


    I would love to have a resource where someone could look at the list, and be able to say, I want to be a little better on the road and I'll sacrifice $, longevity, or off road performance or whatever.
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  2. Effervescent

    Effervescent Sexiest ADVrider '14

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    Pulling this outta my ass...feel free to differ:

    Tourance
    1. Off road capability 5/10
    2. On road capability 8/10
    3. Longevity 7.5/10
    4. Price 7/10

    Deathwings
    1. Off road capability 4/10
    2. On road capability 6.8/10
    3. Longevity 8.5/10
    4. Price 8/10

    -Eff
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  3. rickypanecatyl

    rickypanecatyl SE Asia adventure tours

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    I've been hearing alot about the D908's recently .... anyone want to take a crack at comparing them to the MT21's?
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  4. Vamonta

    Vamonta Adventurer

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    Anyone wanna' take a crack at Maxxis Presa Detours ??
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  5. fullmonte

    fullmonte Reformed Kneedragger

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    Maxxis Presa Detour

    1. Off road ability 7/10 - slightly better than Anakee/Tourance
    2. Onroad ability 7/10 - great in rain, no complaints in the dry
    3. Longevity 3/10 - they were made of butter
    4. Price 9/10 - cheap, but they're no longer available for sale in the USA
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  6. Rick West

    Rick West Function not Farkles

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    TKC 80

    1) 10/10 off road - nothing is better, so it gets top score
    2) 7/10 on road - great pavement performance for a true 50/50 tire
    3) 5/10 longevity - wears quickly, but a fair trade off for such good traction on & off road
    4) 8/10 price - seems inline with the other top brands



    Overall Rating: 7.5/10

    Best Big Dual Sport Tire:bow
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  7. fuhgawee

    fuhgawee Thats a road?

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    Tourance (GS)
    Off road 6/10
    On road 8/10
    Longevity 10/10
    Price 7/10

    Anakees (GS)
    Off road 4/10
    On road 9/10
    Longevity 7/10
    Price 8/10

    TKC (DR 650)
    Agree with Rickwest
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  8. GSBS

    GSBS FunHog

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    Best all-around DS compromise tire IMO (have run these for ~40K miles)

    Off road 7/10 (not for sticky red clay Alabama mud)
    On road 9/10 (like on a rail, quiet too :D )
    Longevity 9/10 (rear - 6-8K miles; front - 14-16K miles)
    Price 5/10 (would be better but these have gone from $99 to $149/rear; $75 to $110/front in last 12 months :eek1 )
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  9. kshive

    kshive What the?!?

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    As with Effervescent - just my opinion:

    Bridgestone Trailwings (I'm assuming that's what you mean by Deathwing)
    1. Off road capability 2/10
    2. On road capability 7/10
    3. Longevity 7/10
    4. Price 8/10

    Bridgestone Battlewings
    1. Off road capability 1/10
    2. On road capability 8/10
    3. Longevity 8/10
    4. Price 7/10

    Dunlop D606
    1. Off road capability 9/10
    2. On road capability 4/10
    3. Longevity 6/10
    4. Price 8/10

    Longevity is hard to estimate because I'll ride my KTM with the D606 on slab for 15-20 miles to meet up with friends that are riding on dirt.
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  10. 30Bones

    30Bones Long timer

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    100% subjective. Ride what you want to ride, not what people say is great. Too many sheeple on this topic, same as oil.
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  11. vmabuck

    vmabuck Clutch Killah

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    I use D606. I don't think there is a better one out there for me. I am 80/20 dirt though. I will see what the deal is on pavement this summer. I will probably be putting about 600-800 miles of black top on a set.

    Plus, They look mean as hell...
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  12. kshive

    kshive What the?!?

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    +1 on that. Even though I gave my opinion I think it's really subjective to how you ride and how much dirt/pavement and what kinda bike you're on.
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  13. markgsnw

    markgsnw WTF?

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    7.5/10 for longevity!?!!? What is 10/10, 20,000 miles?

    :-0
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  14. rickypanecatyl

    rickypanecatyl SE Asia adventure tours

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    I think its only somewhat subjective. There are definately tires better on the road, some better off, some really cheap, and some that last many miles.

    You can't ride what you want to ride if you don't know what is out there ... I'm just asking for peoples input and help. I could say I know the MT21's fairly well as I've put 9,000 miles on them (not 1 pair of course) but I'm guessing that 10 guys who have experience with that tire and also 2 or 3 others would for the most part line up on which is better off/on, which lasts the longest etc. I doubt there would be 10 completely different opinions.

    ON the TKC 80 how many miles can you expect? (OK - I know this is the most subjective as I know guys who swap there MT21's at 400 miles and I'm bald in the center now at 4,400 miles). Can anyone compare the mileage/longevity with the MT21's?

    Thanks Rick
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  15. allbangedup

    allbangedup more vacation please

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    Went through the stock rear MT21 on my 690 in approx 1200miles. Put TKC80's on (frt & bk) and the rear is about done at 1200miles. Both 1200 mile stints were 70 on/30 off. Fronts for both makes were good for another round.

    Rear TKC80 doesn't grip as well as the MT21 off-road. Fronts, I couldn't really feel a lot of difference, but then I'm not sensitive. :wink:

    Both do pretty danged well at sticking on-road, but at the limit the TKC's are more predictable.

    TKC's are probably smoother on-road, and were balanced when installed vs. my shop saying no reason to balance MT21's (weren't balanced from the factory) because they won't hold a balance long (irregular wear patterns develop).

    Next round: D908 on the rear with one of these fronts.
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  16. supertireguy

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    More DS tire choices...

    Avon Distanzia or Gripster (limited sizes)
    Bridgestone Trailwing or Battlewing
    Continental Escape or TKC80
    Dunlop D606 or D607
    Duro HF903/904 Median
    IRC GP110
    Kenda K761
    Maxxis C6006
    Metzeler Tourance, Enduro3 Sahara, Karoo
    Michelin Anakee
    Pirelli MT21 or MT90 Scorpion
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  17. rickypanecatyl

    rickypanecatyl SE Asia adventure tours

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    Ok, I have to confess I'm a real dummy. All I know is the MT21's (and for 17" the avon distancias).

    On my next set of tires I'm willing to sacrifice a little bit of off road capability from the MT21's for longer wear. I know wear is so hard to rate ... the way I use the MT21's I would say they have a "1'/2 life of 700 miles and have lost all tread in the center by 4,500 miles. I know lots of guys who would throw their MT21's out after 700 miles. The guys that ALWAYS do that might incorrectly assume that the tread would be completely worn down by 1,400 miles (700 mile 1/2 life X 2). They do seem to wear slower as they go.

    Anyone have a suggestion for something a bit better than trailwings off road but that could get double the mileage of a MT21?


    Flashlights I think make a great comparison to tires re longevity. Check out the graph of this claimed 630 lumen flashlight that goes 130 hours on 8 AA batteries.

    http://www.batteryjunction.com/fenix-tk40-led-flashlight.html

    By 5 hours it's dropped well below 100 lumens ... you could keep using it for another 125 hours but your already less than 1/6th of the original output ... tough deciscion if your not using rechargeables :)
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    DirtRider1965 Rider

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  19. SWriverstone

    SWriverstone Woodpecker

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    Seems to me like offroad performance is a LOT more dependent on the rider. For example, I know there are plenty of guys here who could take a 100% street tire offroad and still kick my ass, even if I had titanium studs on my offroad tires! :lol3

    On the other hand, if a tire is prone to slipping on the street, seems like it's gonna slip no matter who rides it (meaning the variability of pavement is less than what you'd find offroad).

    It's also true that offroad performance seems to fall into two big categories:
    DRY...and WET. Meaning a competent rider could probably get through just about anything offroad if it's bone-dry...but if you're talking mud, then all bets are off! (Although I suppose deep, fine dry sand is another one of those deal-breakers.)

    I've done some pseudo-crazy offroading on my KLR with Avon Gripsters that are supposed to suck offroad...but then that was also on bone-dry, narrow forest trails with the tires aired down. I don't remember ever slipping once.

    Scott

    PS - After wearing out a set of Tourances on my Wee-Strom, I put a pair of Dunlop D-607s on it...and I like 'em! Better than the Tourances IMO, largely because they have a more rounded profile and really fall into corners faster and more smoothly.
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  20. rickypanecatyl

    rickypanecatyl SE Asia adventure tours

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    Thanks for the links Dirtrider!
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