Dualsport Tire Combination for more Dirt

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by mikem9, Feb 1, 2013.

  1. Pantah

    Pantah PJ Fan from Boston

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    Thanks for the tip. Never heard of them. I wonder where they are made and if they last long enough to do adventure rides on a Yam Wr250R.

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  2. davesupreme

    davesupreme grand poobah

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    yeah, those Kings tires look interesting, but i can't find anyone who carries them?....
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  3. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    air down to 10-12 psi, or find some talent. i have to air down myself :evil


    best combo i've found on a drz so far for offroad is plane ole geomax fr/rr.
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  4. ram1000

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    +1 on airing down. The 270 rear tire is the best all around tire I've found. I suspect those guys that are running trials tires would find more traction with the 270 as the tread is just as soft as the trials tire yet the knob spacing is more suited to sandy situations. The soft tread really shines on hard pan dirt roads also giving more traction than say a Trackmaster 2 on surfaces that are med to hard, and the soft sidewall compensates for sandy conditions. I find also that the 270 can go off road even at 20# of air where I had to use 18-# on the Trackmaster2 to get the traction consistent. The front 270 is also great if you use the 3.25/21 but lacks tread depth. The sidewall seems soft enough to allow decent traction in sand until the tread is worn to 75% or so. I often wonder when someone gives a report on there likes or dislikes of a tire if they adjust the air pressure for differing situations. It seems many DS riders are afraid to lower the air pressure into the teens, and I find that necessary on even on my DR650 for optimum offroad use. The Trackmasters were especially susceptible to wrong air pressure but performed as expected in the dirt when I lowered them down. Also any tire is subject to air pressure based on the weight of the bike. A KTM 450 is going to give a different feel than a KLR for the same tire and satisfaction is very subject to the pressure needed to hold the bike off the rim. I have also ran Pirelli MT 21's and found them slippery up front for med. to hard terrain. But there again air pressure can alleviate even the worst conditions to some degree. I ran those Kings when they were available but can no longer find them either. I don't consider how a knob tire will perform on road for my riding decisions but I find any tire works better at 25+# on pavement. I have a road orriented motorcycle that I use for that.
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  5. mikem9

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    Good point. When we are riding more dirt oriented dual-sporting around here on our 450's etc. We typically run anywhere between 11psi and 15psi on our dirt oriented knobbies, depending on the conditions that day. Muddy days, closer to 11. Personally, I never go higher than 13psi around here. If I ride the roads all the way to the trails, I'll probably go up quite a bit for the road section. When we were riding trails out West in the Rockies, most of my group was running around 15psi.
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  6. Yooper_Bob

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    I run them on my KTM 640 Adventure, and they easily last 3-4k miles. I normally ride 30% pavement and 70% dirt.

    I have tried Dunlop 606's, Pirelli MT-21's, and Metzler Karoo II's...I have found the Kings both out perform and outlast all of them.

    They should last forever on a smaller bike like yours.

    Just be warned, they have a very stiff carcass, and can be a bear to mount.
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  7. Yooper_Bob

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  8. dolphins13

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    +1 I run 18lbs of pressure in the back and about 20 in front everywhere. The tire does all around good for me. You can find a better knobby or street tire. This tire works good all around with the right tire pressure. I first rode it with full air and it rode like crap. Slippin and sliddin on dirt and asphalt. Take the air down and they grip. Best of all they are fairly cheap. I heard the shinko 244 is like the kenda 270 but better? Havnt tried it yet. Anyone know about the 244 from experience?
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  9. creaky

    creaky Been here awhile

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    That Kings Tire 963 sure looks like a Cheng Shin C760 which is also a long wearing tire with excellent traction.


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  10. CJBDRdude

    CJBDRdude Ridin'offroadCJ

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    Wrong you are the rear not only is DOT .. Pirelli advertises it as such!!!
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  11. motomike14

    motomike14 Thumper Crusader

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    Just finished with a set of Dunlop d606. Good wear (2500 on a rear), but grip was so-so. Tended to slip around a lot and not want to turn in the dirt while leaned over without stepping out.

    Just put on a kenda trakmaster 2 on the rear, and a Pirelli scorpion pro on the front of my xr6. Great grip in the dirt and loose stuff. Not too noisy on the roads. But, definitely not going to last as long as the d606. Have only done one weekend of riding and already can see wear on the kenda. But, also much more cheaper than the Dunlop rear.
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  12. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    Goldenboy shinko, grrrrrrrreat on road profile, pretty good offroad, but it has to be aired down or you'll wash the front out everywhere.

    Prolly the easiest tire to mount so far. For me.
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  13. Wallachian Spikes

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    Update: First real off road ride on new tires went well. Godzilla fealt very planted except when it got VERY slippery & even then I managed not to flop on my a$$. The camera didn't really catch how slick parts of the ride were.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7pbhoI_lzA

    The mud hole I got stuck in at the end was the second worst of the days ride. My Gopro ran out of power & missed the worst one but, I still got 9 parts of the ride in total. It was a great day of riding & surprisingly, none of us went down once.

    So far I'm really liking the K-60 rear & D-606 front combo. :D
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  14. eakins

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    as others have pointed out, it's technically an emo (long in the front, shorter in the back) as mullet is the opposite...but the term mullet has stuck.



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  15. eakins

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    agreed on the rear. works well as a 50/50 tire. wear is ok but price is cheap.
    front not so good thus use a more aggressive front tire.

    i do like the MT-21 ($80) front, but i find the IRC TR8 to handle better on the paved (where i like to corner hard) but a little less on the dirt (which i can accept for the paved performance and in reality I can only push the bike so hard as the rear tire is less aggressive). the TR8 is also cheaper ($65) but still a high quality built and made in Japan tire. I think most do not know about the TR8 so they don't sell that well. I tried it on a whim.
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  16. eakins

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    understand the 130-17" K-60 ($150) does not have a center bar at all, that could cause it to suck in the mud, like the 140-17" & 150-17" size . the design is like the original K60 and is more aggressive. make sure you're not hearing chatter about the 140 & 150 sizes at the 130 is very different in tread.

    i have a pic of all 3 i'll dig up and post.

    the best 50/50 long life rear tire i've ever used is the mefo explorer ($170).
    they were $100 a few years ago but now the price is crazy expensive (& worse than the K60)

    the theory back then was the tire cost 2x that of of the other options but it
    2x the life so it even out and you changed less tires. now it's often 3x the cost and getting harder to justify. if you are taking a huge dual-sport/alaska ride and hope to do it on 1 rear then yes the cost is worth it. if you day ride or take shorter trips and thus returning home often to easily change tire, the cost is questionable.

    the original 130-17" K60 did not yield good mileage (for the high price) but with a rubber compound redo the new 130 is suppose to be very good. not sure the exact numbers or how they compare to the K60 however? any new-compound 130-17" user care to respond? or mefo explorer users for that matter?

    the 5.10-17 (same size as 130-17) shinko 244 is $55 for comparison sake.
    right now trying out the shinko 700 ($60) and i'm not impressed with the life and the grip is just ok.
    next set is another tr8 front - 244 rear ($120 total) for me.

    i'm hoping Mitas (another Euro company) gets its import act together and brings in the E07 rear (very similar design pattern to the mefo explorer) to the US. in places where they are available, they are priced alot lower than Mefo or Heidenau and could come in potentially at $100 for the 130-17" size. reports of rear mileage are way up there like the Mefo and the Australian guys are saying the E07 is the most used rear tire for dual-sporters by a huge margin.
    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=519584
    http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=706242
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  17. RFVC600R

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    My K270s hook up excellent on dirt roads, and they make a 25ft wall of sand at the dunes without trying :D
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  18. FloorPoor

    FloorPoor Been here awhile

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    I used to run K270's all the time. Pretty good 50/50 tire that works well everywhere but sticky mud, but they can be a bit squirmy on pavement when pushed hard in corners.

    I've since switched to Shinko 244's (golden boy) They work just as good as the kenda 270's off road, last a bit longer, and are quite a bit cheaper. You can get a set for around $100 and they will last 3-5k on a rear and 5+ on the front. And they feel much more planted on the pavement. All in all a good compromise.
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  19. dolphins13

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    I have been waiting to hear a review of the 244's. I am currently running the kenda 270's. With the air down at about 18lbs. It works real well for me in dirt or on road. I heard the shinko 244 is everthing the 270 is, but better, has stiffer sidewalls for better cornering?
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  20. oldxr

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    I have a Honda xr650r thats plated and does highway+ single track.It eats back tires.Best combo so far is a mt-21 front,shinko 244 rear.1 time I ran a pirelli xcmh front and mt21 rear .Mucho traction but the tires were gone at about 1000 miles.
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