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Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by DeedsyDragon, Nov 12, 2012.
Oh, so you haven't actually ridden one, despite your claim to the contrary.
That's EXACTLY what I just said 2 posts above. Feel better now?
The Hyperstrada looks to be an updated Hypermotard with bags and a water-cooled motor, and a slightly different frame. Based upon that I assumed it will handle the same, or very similar, to the current model. I figured people would assume that...guess I shouldn't have. If the Hyperstrada handles better than the SMT it will be a fantastic bike.
Hi. I have owned the previous Ducati Hypermotard and now own the KTM SM T. Some thoughts:
Range: the fuel tank seems to be quite small. I used to have to gas up the Hypermotard twice or three times in a day, that's ridiculous. The KTM is really much better in that respect.
Seating position: I read that the new Hyper/strada has different angles from the old one. The old Hyper was really strange to get used to. You sit very close to the bars and it feels more like a BMX bike with an 1100 motor than anything else. However, the old Hyper had a wide and flat seat. The new one seems to have a tilt and a raised passenger area. I would hate that as I don't like sliding forward but I do like sliding myself back a little on long trips. The KTM has a perfect seat for me. The seating position itself is almost perfect, I wouldn't mind the bars just a bit lower.
Handling: On the Hyper, people tend to pull on the bars too much and make the bike nervous at high speed. Total lack of wind protection doesn't help either. In spite of this, the old Hypermotard's handling is fantastic once you get to know it well. I even rode it on the racetrack and outperformed several much faster bikes. The KTM is great handling too. I do feel that the jerkiness in the fuel injection is problematic when going fast around roundabouts and such. The forks also dive more than the Ducati's.
Luggage capacity: the old Hyper has absolutely none. The new Hyperstrada has 50 liter quick-detach saddlebags. The KTM SM T has very quick-detach saddlebags also, but they only hold 13 liters each. Personally, I like them for short trips because I just slap them on and go, never filling them up completely. If you do then you will probably break the zipper since that's the only thing holding the halves together. They are also not waterproof. You get plastic bags to cover them with but these fill half the saddlebags if you want to take them along.
Power: the KTM has more horsepower but it will also feel much more powerful. The engine is very lively. The old Hyper had an outdated engine, not that powerful at the top end, but very nice and torquey. The new Hyperstrada has a Testastretta engine that looks to me like a slightly watered down engine from the 848. I rode an 848 Evo recently and it didn't feel that quick at lower revs. Of course that is racing bike with much taller gearing, but on the other hand it has about 140 hp and the Hyperstrada has 108. It's hard to say from behind the computer but I feel the KTM has the edge here.
Electronics: you can get ABS on both but the KTM does not have riding modes or traction control. This is a personal thing. I feel that riding modes are not that useful and sometimes downright annoying. My wife had an Aprilia Dorsoduro with a sport/tour/rain setting. In sport, it was too aggressive and in rain you had to twist the throttle like crazy to go anywhere. We always kept it in tour.
Liquid cooling: well they both have liquid cooling now. Too bad. The KTM gets hot around town and the fan whines away. The old Hyper never made a sound in that respect and I loved that.
I absolutely love it!
When I was shopping for my Aprilia Dorsoduro, I looked at the Multi and the Hyper. I thought the Multi had too much windshield and touring gear, while the Hyper's handlebars were too low and close to my knees. The Hyperstrada seems to be in the sweet spot between them.
With the stated service intervals, it will likely steal away lots of Aprilia Shiver and Honda NC700 buyers. With nearly 20 hp over my Dorsoduro's 750 cc motor, it would have certainly got my attention when I was shopping. Price is closer to a 1200 Aprilia, but right in line with KTM offerings.
I'll take the red one...
Thanks for the comparison. Do you think that the fork dive on the SMT can be sorted out with adjustments to the stock setup?
I personally think so...all of the suspension setting adjustments are on a sticker on my airbox lid in easy to read placement for both front and rear!
Cool. Whichever bike I do choose I'll use for at least one track day. So I'm hoping the stock springs on the SMT are stiff enough.
MCN did a comparison where they rode a GS, GSXR1000, SMT, and VFR (I think) for a few hours to the track, and then did some track riding. The SMT was only a tad slower at the track than the GSXR. Youtube should have it, it's pretty interesting.
You should be fine with either bike at the track though.
I am really interested in this segment of the market. I do alot of commuter miles and travel via moto a few times a year. I have no desire to take a 5-600lb motorcycle offroad, but I do want to have a fun&stable platform to travel and explore the country.
All I can add is that my current monster is not working out well. (cramped balls)
I can't wait to see a comparison video between the SMT and hyperstrada.
was a GSXR 750.
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God DAMN is that thing ugly. That's coming from a guy who owns BMWs too!
Were there any in the first place? All that I've seen were sitting on the showroom floor with big discounts, and a salesman that basically said, You don't want one of those...
Yeah, that hurts my eyes probably more than any bike, ever. Somehow, they were able to make the Hyper twice as ugly.
Speaking as a former hyper owner, it's a very exciting concept. Ticks all my boxes, except for looks.
depending on what Monster it is....that can be addressed...but it still might not be the right tool for the job..
Ha ha, good point. Well, there seem to be about as many Shiver owners as Dorsoduro owners (not many), but they don't really frequent this site because the Shiver is the street version of the DD. Even though the Shiver is basically the same bike, they do seem to have more problems than the DD. Maybe the more diligent workers were on the DD assembly line?
Anyway, the three things I don't like about the Hyperstrada are the side exhaust, shorter suspension travel than the Hypermotard, and pricing about $4,000 above the Dorsoduro 750 (about the same as the DD 1200).
Most of my friends think the Multistrada is butt ugly, and I think its OK, so I guess my tastes are a little off...
Link to EICMA Ducati Hypermotard/Hyperstrada video. Some good close ups & note Termignoni exhaust on the HMT.
I always found the Hym 1100 very 'front endy' - felt like you were sitting right over the front wheel which made steering very sensitive and twitchy. The 796 Hym as a lot better and felt a bit more neutral in corners - not quite as fast to turn in but fine for me.
The new Hym is a similar riding position to the 796 (I have seen it in the flesh and sat on it - not ridden it though). Gut feeling is that it will not have the razor edge handling of the 1100 Hym but will still handle everything that 99% of riders will ever throw at it !
I first saw pics of the Hyperstrada a few days ago. Instantly fell in love with the idea of it. But every Ducati Hypermotard I've sat on has the feeling you describe, and it's not a feeling I like. I dislike it to the point where I've never ridden one simply because of that.
Who knows though...maybe I've deprived myself and would fall in love with the Hypermotard. But I do know that I like the feeling that there's a bit of bike in front of me...not chopper ergos by any stretch of the imagination. Just the feeling that I'm not sitting directly on the front wheel.
The Hyperstrada has shown up on the cycle ergo site, and it looks to have very similar ergos as the hypermotard, and a similar relationship of rider to the front wheel.
I'll definitely go look at one once they hit the showrooms, if for no other reason than I love the idea of the Hyperstrada.
and see this is exactly what I like about it, the dirt bike feel of sitting right behind the front wheel!
sign me up!
I wonder how the cumulative effect of those small-ish front end parts will work for wind deflection...