Ducati Hyperstrada!

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by DeedsyDragon, Nov 12, 2012.

  1. Downs

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    When I was in Cali last I stopped by there and all the bikes had extra charcoal canisters hanging off the side of them. The Aprilias stood out the most.
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  2. soldierguy

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    At least as of a few years ago, I'm pretty sure that the only company that makes specific versions for CA is Harley. I believe (but I'm not 100% sure) the rest are all 50-state legal. There may be a few other bikes that have a 49-state and a CA version, but the numbers would have to be pretty small. Either that or some companies just don't sell certain models in CA...like Suzuki with their TU250.

    For what it's worth, every imported bike that I've bought (ok that'd be all of them) over the last several years have all had charcoal canisters. That's been a mix of bikes bought in TX, CO, and in CA, from BMW, Aprilia, Moto Guzzi, MV Agusta, and Triumph. Aprilia and Harley are bad about just slapping the canisters on with no real thought as to where it should go or how it looks...most other makers at least try to hide them a bit.
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  3. DesmoDog

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    As has been said, every Ducati imported into the US since at least 2000 has been a "Cali spec model"... unless of course they've changed in the past couple years, which I doubt.


    I'm starting to wonder if maybe I shouldn't sell my current Hyper and get a Hyperstrada instead. I see Ducati is supposed to be at the bike show next month, I guess I'll have to go again this year after all.
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  4. jerdog53

    jerdog53 Crop Dusting Everywhere

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    Speaking with my local “Big Box” motorcycle dealer he indicated the Hyperstrada would be available late March but didn’t know for sure which isn’t a big surprise. :norton
    Speaking with another not so local dealer he knew when the bikes would arrive at his shop in mid April, he also said he had a training weekend to go to in March to learn all about the bike and would update me once he was back from that. :deal
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  5. DesmoDog

    DesmoDog Desmo's my dog

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    I saw the bike today.

    My big problem with it is they had it set up next to a Hyper SP. I love the SP.

    Overlooking that and getting back to the strada... I'm not a big fan of the feel of the new cable operated clutch. The bags look kinda small, and are fabric covered? I was there about 20 minutes after the show opened and already the bags were scuffed by people's boots hitting them when they got on/off the bike. I can only imagine what a PITA it will be to clean them after riding through the inevitable bug swarm, rain storm, etc.

    I didn't look too closely but a tank bag would be a PITA to mount? Maybe no worse than my current Hyper but initial impression was the seat/body panels fit closer so it'd be harder to run straps to a bag? I dunno.

    Other than that, I liked it. I could probably live with the smaller bags, could always add a top box if it's an issue. The clutch I'd likely get used to - it just didn't feel as smooth to me. The shifter was easier to reach. I thought the front end looked better than the SP version, and I like the wheels better on the Strada than the SP.

    I'm not sure what I'll do. I'm not wild about spending more money on a bike this soon after buying the 796. I'm also sure a dedicated sport touring bike would work better for the trip I have planned this summer. I suppose I could sell my 750GT that rarely gets ridden... that plus my current hyper and I'd probably have enough left over to buy the 900ss I've been jonesing after too.

    Decisions decisions...
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  6. Ultravoyageant

    Ultravoyageant Been here awhile

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    You know, I have been wanting a Hyper for years. If I got one it was going to get some cases on it one way or another. I've ridden the 796 and an 1100 S from a few years ago, and for the type of roads I ride either would be right on point. The front fork leaves me wondering though. If its like the 796 (Which I would rather have over the 1100 honestly) its frankly a non starter to me, because I'd have to basically swap in a better fork. I'm 240lbs and while I really dig the 796 on paper riding it reminded me of when I was a kid whipping around on my YZ490 on the backroads around my house; more wallow than a pig with a large mud hole all to his lonesome. I get that the average bike is set up for joe average at roughly 170lbs, but if I can't set up a fork for my weight (without buying a new fork)then I can't be bothered. If I'm not mistaken the 796's fork had minimal adjustment and you could only swap out the spring in one fork leg. I was ready to pick one of them up, and at first thought the sales person was blowing smoke when they said I'd probably should just buy the 1100 just so I would be able set the suspension up right for my weight. Needless to say I wasn't liking the idea of spending upwards of 2 grand on top of the price of the bike so I passed. Hopefully Ducati put an equivalent fork on the Hyperstrada that the Hyper 1100 SP had, but I doubt it.

    Beyond the suspension stuff, given how many gremlins two of my riding buddies have had with their new (less than a year for both) Ducs, I may say forget it and get something completely different (from a different manufacturer) when the time comes.
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  7. DFH

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    At 110kg (240lbs if you insist, but feudal measures mess with my mind:lol3) you would need to re-spring either the 796 or the 1100. Or most other bikes for that matter. Whilst 110kg is merely large, on a bikes like these your weight is about around 60% of the dry weight of the bike. Any salesman that fosters the impression that the preload & damping adjusters can cure the ills of springs specified for riders 2/3rds your weight is either blowing smoke up your freckle or spinning a line to flog a bike that when the new model hits will become a showroom orphan. This strategy can only be effective if you let it and a set of fork springs plus a shock spring costs way less than 2 grand.
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    This has been my big problem with the Hyperstrada is the lack of adjustable front suspension, I am of average size and weight IE 160# and 5’8” so theoretically the factory set up should work well enough…..theoretically.
    In my mind $14K USD should get you adjustable front suspension…..
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  9. cls

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    Indeed. Pet peave and crazy that there's no adjustability for that kind of money. The fact that it says "Ducati" on the side makes it all the more painful and all the inexcusable. I'm also waiting on fuel economy readings from the real world. My "all-round" bike has to turn in decent mpg's at commuter running.
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    Agreed, there should be no reason why it shouldn't get 45MPG.....


    What do the 1100 Hypers get?
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    First bikes off the production line in Bologna .............

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  12. Ultravoyageant

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    I completely understand that. Which is why every bike I've owned (even when I was a more svelte 97kg) has had fork and shock springs changed (at a minimum) for my weight. The problem with at least the 796 is when you can only change the spring in one fork you end up being limited to how much of a change you can do to spring rate before you run into issues with how well the fork does its job. This was at least what I have been told from a few different suspension guys. Which is why some people were swapping in a better fork on the 796, at around $1600 to $2000 a pop. Its one thing for me to spend a little bit of coin to put a better fork on an older pre cartridge era bike like my FJ. Its a totally different thing to have to spend a few thousand on top of 13+ grand because the manufacturer possibly cheaped out on the fork and put some rubbish hardly adjustable and not really upgradeable thing on there. As I said before, I hope that Ducati didn't do this, but I won't be surprised if they did, because they did it before. And if this is indeed the case I'll just as soon spend my money on a bike that doesn't have cut rate springy bits on it, made by some other manufacturer.
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    Oh you know they did, non adjustable front suspension and a non hydraulic clutch got to cut costs somewhere to make the price point… :puke1
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  14. DesmoDog

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    You can only change the spring in one leg because only one leg has a spring in it.

    I've never heard the comments about spring rates being an issue (other than availability). Not trying to flame at all but I wonder if maybe you're not understanding what the suspension guys are saying? Perhaps they mean there is only so much you can do with spring rates - the valving can't be adjusted?

    The reason people are changing forks is because other than spring rate/preload and fluid viscosity/level there really isn't anything you can do to mod the forks. You can't even replace the stock valving with aftermarket parts.

    If I had to choose one thing I liked the least about my 796 it would be the lack of potential for modding the stock suspension. However from what I've found there is a partial solution to the stock parts which consists of getting the "correct" spring and fluid. Not at all expensive, said to improve things, but of course it's not optimum. If I do keep my 796 I'll be investing in the parts. However, I've seen the new SP, and... I like it more than I thought I would. My 796 may be for sale this spring...
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    The one thing I did not like on the new bike was the feel of the clutch. I'm sure I'd get used to it but the inital reaction was it didn't feel as nice as the hydraulic clutches on my other bikes. And in fact it didn't feel as nice as the clutch on my '74 750GT, but that may just be because I knew the 750 had a cable operated clutch so was expecting it. I had forgotten about it on the new bike so when I pulled it I was a bit surprised by the feel .
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    You know if it can be done and there is enough demand for It the aftermarket guys will make a hydraulic clutch kit for it, or some ADV rider will figure a way to make it happen
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    DesmoDog Desmo's my dog

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    Yeah, there are hydraulic conversions for the 750GT too. It's not something I'd go to the effort to change unless it was really simple.

    I'm not interested in a Hyperstrada anymore anyway. In doing a reality check I've decided if I do get a new hyper, it'll be an SP. :evil If I decide I want to start dogin soem serious touring I'll buy something else.
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    No more HyperStrada for me.




    Damn cabin fever... made me all crazy-like...
    Went out and bought this instead
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    I have a sweet KLR that I'll live with for a while longer.
    We'll see what happens next winter.
    I like these Hypers, but that Pikes Peak MTS is nice as hell.
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    They might should've taken some "looks" lessons from Aprilia [​IMG]
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    Coming from someone with a Concours ....:deal