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Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by pyplinr, May 6, 2012.
Watch it. You have a reputation to maintain. You're slipping.
Was that almost a compliment?
For the same reason you can't get them anywhere else.
They also now come in black (probably) everywhere else but the US.
So then it could be said that BMW builds theirs to match the quality of Yamaha.
Even when Yamaha does design and build something that is defective, somehow it's another chance to bash BMW. S10 owners are a hoot
Well it's not like it's a rare opportunity.
The silver ones are going to look like ass on the 2013 colors so hopefully they start offering the black cases in America.
Are the black ones all plastic or are the aluminium covers painted black ???
So this thread hasn´t gotten any love in three or so years, but it was one I checked about 8 months ago when deciding for the Yamaha OEM panniers for my S10 and I imagine people are still buying these so here is my review 8 months and 20,000km in;
1. By far the best thing about these panniers is they don´t stick out of the motorcycles dimensions - they are as wide as the handlebars. This is a huge plus especially in places where you can lanesplit. My friend bought the SWMotech panniers for his 800xc around the same time and they effectively turn his bike into a car.
2. The bike doesn´t look like a kid with braces when the panniers aren´t on the bike. I really like the way these panniers mount onto the bike. You can barely tell the bike has mounting hardware. Considering these bags are in use only on weekend rides or vacation roadtrips its a big plus. Again I really dislike the way the SWmotech mounting frames look (and I know you can take the SWmotech pannier frames off the bike with a dime on a dime but that is also a very scary proposition when leaving the panniers unattended).
3. They look really good on the bike; Even though they are plastic (with some aluminum).
4. Side grips. This is something super basic and super useful. I have no idea why manufacturers never imagine you are ever going to get the crazy idea of taking these off your bike to bring up to your hotel room. SWmotech does not put handles on most of their models. I like the Yamaha handles on the sides makes carrying very easy.
1. The panniers are definitely light duty panniers. I haven´t had an off with the panniers on the bike but I have serious doubts as to wether they would resist. Again comparing to my friends SWmotech panniers - he dropped the bike (standing still) onto pavement and aside from the obvious scratches the panniers did not dent or show signs of strain even though the bike ended up resting on one of the panniers.
2. They scratch really easily. I bought the black panniers and coming back from a camping trip there were visible scratches all around.
3. The ·)%$/"! locking mechanism. This is a big HUGE nono;
The locking mechanism on these panniers has to be the most complicated system on the entire motorcycle. They tried to make is easy on the user - left turn opens right turn detaches (from the bike) with the same key as your bike key. But since the whole construction is made of plastic it feels like the whole thing is going to give at any moment.
The plastic latch containing the lid closed with "all your things" does not feel like it will stand especially when undoubtedly your having to close the lid with some force (as the sweater or whatever did not all fit in nicely). With a regular latch like the one on the SWMotech you feel much more secure that it will not open when you have to force the lid closed.
Then attaching detaching - they really should have used metal parts. It just feel so frail for so many moving parts.
Even so this mechanism did just fine for about 8months until now when I am deciding to write this review. Coming home (fortunately) from a weekend trip the whole latch system just failed. No turning right or left - well turning but nothing happening.
Taking it to my Yamaha dealer they ended up unscrewing the bottom plate to get at all my things and around to detaching it from the motorcycle. They are still trying to fix the thing.
This would be a terrible thing to have happen in the middle of a trip as it is no easy fix (even at the dealer with all the tools).
It seems this is something that can happen at any moment because the design and mechanism is just so fragile. It would definitely be the thing to watch out for with these panniers.
Anyhow, hope it helps if your shopping around for panniers. At the time of purchase the guys at my Yamaha Dealer where really trying to push any other model on me with any sort of argument. Today they all reminded me why. Still, there are some definite big pluses to these panniers if the latch system where a bit more reliable.
SWMotech on top, Yamaha OEM on the side. (The top SWMotech is not without its problems either.. the aluminum up top is so thin it dents really easily)
Like wfopete said, the only way in is to unscrew the bottom plastic plate.
Trip things recovered after Pannier failure (the guys at Yamaha brought out a brand new pannier (in white on the photo) as an example to figure out how to get into mine)
The real culprits of the whole thing going south where these two screws, check them often.
Even if this thread has been in a kind of a limbo, it's useful to know that our panniers are made by Shad. The s10's and all of BMW's.
I've been very happy with them, so far. All your advices have been considered (the blue loctite etc.). Much appreciated!
If you use Blue Loctite on the two screws you will never have to check the screws again. I have more than 50,000 miles on two and a half pair. The only lock problems I ever had was with the first pair (August 2011). I did not read the instructions and did not use Blue Loctite. Fixed that and no problems since.
I meant to say "blue loctite" but my (not so) wonderful phone corrected (!) it to "blue picture"...!?!
Thanks for you advice, that exactly what I did! Hopefully it'll never have the "locks gate" issue. I travel to far away places where that issue would be a very serious problem. I have read somewhere that you can dismantle the other lock and put in the hole so you can open the pannier. Never tried it but I keep that advice in my memory bank, just in case (better off case...lol).
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Great pics + stories you guys. All or 'most' pannier box and mount providers are going to error on the side of having their "product" shear and basically fail in the event of an impact, separating and falling clear from the bike.
There are those two thoughts on this, about 1/2 the riders would like to have their panniers stick with them in a hypothetical crash, and then there is another mythical population that thinks the panniers or boxes should "self eject" upon any impact, and run like hell away from you in the opposite direction, so that some part of you does not get trapped underneath them.
Guess which camp the manufacturer is going to be in?
The one with less LIABILITY.
Like someone else said, they are not meant to be "bumpers" or crash bars, they are storage.
That being said, once you digest that, there might be some things you can do to "encourage" your boxes to stick around the next time they take a bump. Like cars with air bags, you can't fully predict when or how they are going to react 100% of the time.
Look at where an auxiliary bolt and wing nut and some washers could be deployed to either help keep them on the bike, or use it as a way to temporarily re-attach them to the bike until you get home. Bungees and wire is lame at best for this.
Just an idea, but this sort of hardware is plentiful. Combined with some plastic and or rubber washers, spacers, etc.
Is it annoying when your panniers jump from your bike and go running off for the ditch, YES.
But maybe it can be encouraged to hang around with a couple well placed "assistants"?
Beats having your camping gear, camera, phone and whatever else you "had" in that pannier go tumbling over a cliff unnoticed. Or consider how you might rig them BACK ONTO YOUR BIKE in the event they fail.
If you have Yamaha's system already, I would not look to them to be re-calling anything soon, if ever. Modify what ya got and go riding.
Or design & SELL some Glock-like polymer blocks or shapes than can be retro-fitted to existing Yammy-cases to assure they stay with the bike in most situations.
Heck yeah, that would show them..... capitalize on their oversight. A tape measure and someone with CAD experience and your there!