Dynabeads vs Ride On vs Static Balancer

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by jsalman93, Nov 14, 2012.

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Ride On, Dynabeads, or Static Balancer

  1. Ride On

  2. Dynabeads

  3. Static Balancer

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  1. jsalman93

    jsalman93 Been here awhile

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    Let me know how that goes. I was considering trying to use some metal bb's to see how that works, but I'm not exactly sure if they would heat up too much in the tire.
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  2. LuciferMutt

    LuciferMutt Rides slow bike slow

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    I would be very concerned about metal BBs (.177 size) causing damage to the inside of the wheel and/or tire.

    Airsoft BBs are supposed to work pretty well.
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  3. jsalman93

    jsalman93 Been here awhile

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    Would they fit through the valve stem, and wouldn't they melt from the heat of the inside of the tire?
    Anyone run into any problems with airsoft bb's
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  4. Navin

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    And with enough dust, it would also balance the tire, no? I'm not seeing why any media wouldn't do the same thing. You don't want rust or clumping or ice so a water mix is out. No lubricants so the tire slips or degrades the rubber. Both of those rule out antifreeze, maybe the non glycol stuff is OK?

    Sand is harmless as far as I can guess. It is abrasive but so are the beads. How would it matter if the sand grains got smaller, assuming they even could. They would only be rubbing against rubber and themselves. I'd think they would cause less rubber damage than heavier ceramis beads.
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  5. max384

    max384 Bandaided

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    I have been using them for quite some time and then forgot to put them in my front tire the last time I changed them. I still had a glass smooth ride. This had me doubting whether I was buying snake oil or not. Although I'm still not 100% convinced, take a look at this video, it at least lends credence to what they're saying.

    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/eq263AYgyYg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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  6. Navin

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    My brand new bike with unbalanced tires feels great, or I think it does, till over 75 MPH where it throbs thru the top clamp. I have a feeling that tiny vibrations have crept in at every speed cause I now feel tingles that just weren't there before I put on the new tires and pulled the weights off as they were way out then. If not for the throb, I doubt I'd have noticed the vibes. I've done alot of tires on alot of bikes from ZZR1200s to Ninja 500 to 950 KTMs and supermoto race bikes. Never balanced any and never noticed what i'm getting now.

    I should have the dyna beads in a few days and will know for sure as that thrumming at least is clear as a bell.
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  7. kantuckid

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    FWIW, the tiny round ceramic beads are not abrasive-they just roll around in there & leave no sign on the paint inside the rim.
    For discussion, lets agree that it's possible to mount a tire properly that is in balance based on good construction & having positioned it in the optimum position on the rim,etc.. So when you start to use that tire it is in perfect balance lets say. It's a fact that tires don't wear evenly. How do you propose to maintain balance over the life of that tire w/o adding weights? The beads do that for you from the get/go. What could be easier?
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  8. Navin

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    Any abrasiveness would show on the tire by my estimation due to the forces pushing the media out to that surface. Would a few oz of sand wear on the wheel? Would it be enough to matter? It might make some light contact when stopping. I've read some users get black dust from the rubber wearing due to beads. Haven't read of any wheel wear or paint damage, which I'd think a ceramic ball could cause if it can even hit the rim.
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  9. LuciferMutt

    LuciferMutt Rides slow bike slow

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    I don't think you can install them through the valve stem. They are 3 or 4mm in diamter IIRC. At least one bead of the tire will need to be broken from the rim so you can dump them in.

    Nobody has had problems with them melting.
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  10. jsalman93

    jsalman93 Been here awhile

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    I think I might be giving that a shot on my next tire install. I think I'm gonna put some Ride On in them for now, since I dont want to break the bead of the tire.

    Have used Ride On on my old Shadow. Not sure if it worked or not, because the tire was already balanced before I put it on, but damn, it sealed some punctures :D
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  11. Navin

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    I dumped these in the bike right after riding it 25 miles. They are basically grains of sand in perfect sphere shape. How an ounce of sand would react any differently is beyond me.

    First impression, it is riding noticably smoother thru the bars and pegs. I took it to +80 and didn't feel the axel thrumming about but I need to see it in daylight tomorrow to be sure it is gone. My initial impression is it works, but I could have achived the same result with free materials. :wink:

    I'll post up what happens in daylight as I watched it vibrate at the axel like mad earlier today.

    Second, the low speed decel wobble from 50 down with no hands on the bars. Still have it. My ZZR1200s did the same thing. I'm going to guess it is the Conti tires, a supermoto specific tread that I love for its ability to heat up in cold weather. Great sticky tires. The IRC Road Winners did not have this behavior at all. Dead stable. I had attributed it to the wheel balance, if the axel is still hopping around I'll do a regular balance and look at this again.

    Jury is still out for tonight but it is better for sure.
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  12. Navin

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    Well I rode it to 85 MPH and the front axel still goes totally nuts starting at 77 and hitting full blown fuzzy in my vision by 80. The bike is smoother so they are doing something. I still have insane decel wobble under 50 MPH but I'm finding alot of talk in searches from the same symptoms with Conti tires.
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  13. Navin

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    My buddy has a auto repair shop and is talking about getting a moto wheel adapter for the high speed balance machine. That would be a real test IMO. I'll try it with the beads when he gets it and even if I add 1/2 oz of weight anywhere it should still balance out with the beads. If it shows I need a weight with a naked tire/wheel then I guess this is BS. If it balances out of the box as is or I can add weight and it dynamically self balances I guess it really works.

    I wonder why this isn't one of their demo vids???

    I did 100 miles today and still only notice a slightly lower vibration level. Might be in my head? The decel wobble is nuts, even with one hand on the bar it starts to kick in.
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  14. levain

    levain STILL Jim Williams

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    Using them in the tubes of my XC as well for the first time. Smooth as silk, but they're a bitch to get in the tube!
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    Did they balance out a rim lock?
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  16. 06yz125

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    Tried dyna beads...didn't work..felt about the same...took them out.

    Had to remove tire and break one bead for removal..thats was the worst part.

    Thought about leaving them in ..then thought..maybe I'll remove them right after
    the ride..to really get a comparison.. Like I said...no change.

    Thats MY experience...FWIW
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  17. bemiiten

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    MCN already performed the test- " MCN evaluated the Dyna Beads on a reader's suggestion back in October of 2006. Although the tiny white ceramic beads have apparently found favor with long-haul truckers, we tested them in a Honda 599. Using a shop's spin balancer, we checked the bike's rear wheel, which had 1.6 oz. of balance weights in place. The balancer agreed with the amount and location of the weights. After installing the specified two ounces of beads in the rear tire and then removing the rim weights, the balancer found an out of balance condition. This test was repeated five times and the balancer continued to call for the replacement of the 1.6 oz. of rim weights in the same location. Over-the-road testing was next. Without the rim weights, the rear wheel produced noticeable vibration and the installation of the beads gave a barely perceptible improvement. Also, the weight of the beads added so close to the tire tread gave a noticeable increase in gyro stability, making the steering heavier. We also tried them on a car and were disappointed. Bottom line: Save your money for a proper spin balance."
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  18. kantuckid

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    It's easy-measure them out,place clear tube on valve stem with schrader removed,tip btl of beads then gently tap the tube with a small screwdriver while they merrily roll in. Static makes for the tapping needed.
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    I'm pretty sure this has been covered before and is incorrect as spin balancers dont spin fast enough for the beads/ride on or what ever to do their thing and for said potion to work the wheel needs to be able to move which it cant on a 1000lb balancing machine. I know on my bike with ride on in the tires I get a bit of a shake from being out of balance by a bit, but once I hit around 45 mph it becomes super smooth. I am running the tubliss setup and spin balance with just the tubliss and no tire, takes about 5 oz because of the rim lock. I still think that a quick spin balance to get close then use whatever potion you like is the easiest/fastest.
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  20. ram1000

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    After statically balancing my tires in the garage I heard about and began using using Dyna Beads for a few years now. I had no noticeable out of balance situations on both sport bike tires on my road bikes and tube tires on my dual sport bikes. That said I needed a sport bike tire on a trip once and mounted it up in my son-in-laws garage in Texas, with no way of balancing or getting Dyna Beads. I decided to try it. Since then I quit balancing any of my tires because I could not tell the difference between a balanced sport bike tire and the new non-balanced tire. I did run into an exception about a year ago I put a new Kenda K270 dual sport tire on the front of my DR650 and noticed an imbalance at 30 or 40 mph. I added Dyna Beads and that solved the problem. Now I run Dyna Beads in the tubes of my dual sport bikes since when I change tires I use the same tubes- don't get excited about not changing tubes for every new tire- it isn't necessary. I still have not gone back to balancing my sport bike tires but if I find one that needs it I will add Dyna Beads through the stem. I use a vibrator sander against the stem to vibrate the beads through the stem as they want to bunch up going through.
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