E15 to E85 coming to a pump near you!

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by coach03860, Jun 24, 2013.

  1. MJS

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    It's selling for an average of $3.41 / per gal in CA vs avg of $4.07 for E10. About a 18% difference. So the question becomes, what's the mileage hit on E85?

    From fueleconomy.gov " FFVs typically get about 25-30% fewer miles per gallon when fueled with E85."

    Let's see...18% fuel cost savings vs. 25% hit in mileage. Which one costs more? :deal

    PS: That retail price spread has varied between 10% and 18% over the last year according to E85prices.com and averages about 16%.
  2. joexr

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    I think they should give the consumer the choice. Have E85 , E10 and actual real gas pumps available.
  3. Handy

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    And incredibly enough E85 is still more expensive per mile.
    I guess that's why I never see anybody using the E85 pumps around here.
  4. khager

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    That's funny, I see E10 all around me for $3.25-$3.35 and I live here.

    $3.50 is that for full service?
  5. khager

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    If you have a FFV, don't listen to the Ethanol pimps, either do your own math or if you are too lazy the government has already done it for you. Go to the department of energy website;

    http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Powe...fv&rowLimit=10&pageno=1&sortBy=Comb&tabView=0

    Notice in the amber column for E85, every vehicle cost more $$$ to use E85 using average prices around the country. That's every manufacturer every model, more $$$ out of your pocket, every time! You can take that to the bank, errrrrr, I mean you better go back to the bank because you are going to need a loan.:lol3
  6. GapRunr

    GapRunr Been here awhile

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    I live in an area that has every choice of fuel available, and pretty close by. E10 in all grades, E0 in Regular and Premium, and E85. Well, the E85 was close by when I tried it. They stopped selling it as it wasn't popular.

    In my R1200GSA, my on board computer reports around 47 mpg on E0 Premium, and around 42 on E10 Premium. I put in E0 recently and then went on an afterwork ride up to New Found Gap in the Smokies. It's a slow road, with speeds in the 25-35mph range. When I got home my on board computer was showing a 57mpg average.

    I also have an 09 Dodge truck, which is an E85 Flex Fuel vehicle. With E10 my mileage around town averages 13.5 mpg, pretty consistently. With E0 it averages about 15.7. I also tried E85 for two tanks in a row. The first tank was 9 mpg, the second one was 11 mpg. More money for less distance, and it also seemed sluggish. I kept checking my parking brake to make sure it wasn't still partially on. The truck just didn't feel responsive.

    Putting aside all the pissing matches between people on this forum, and the wealth of both information and misinformation, in my particular case pure gas is always better as far as mpg. Local pricing for pure gas and E10 are always fluctuating as gas station across the street from each other have mini price wars, so there are times when the cost per mile is better with E10 and times when the cost per mile is better with E0.

    And obviously, "Your actual mileage may vary".
  7. pretbek

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    Ya spoiled brat.

    Do you notice a difference in power delivery between riding/driving on E0 and on E10?

    I can't compare anymore, because the nearest gas station that has E0 is 100 miles away, but I'm curious.
  8. Michael

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    From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_content_of_biofuel

    Specific Energy Density of ethanol (MJ/kg): 23.4-26.8; Gasoline 45-48.3. Volumetric Energy Density (MJ/L): Ethanol 18.4-21.2; Gasoline 32 - 34.8

    So it looks like ethanol has approximately half as much energy per unit as gas. Therefore, according to my fuzzy math, a gallon of gas that is 10% ethanol will give you 5% worse mileage; E15 net you 7.5% worse, etc. Holy crap, that means that E85 will drop your mileage 42.5%!!!!

    So, if you get 20 MPG on pure gas E10 will give you 19 MPG; E85: 11.5 MPG????!!. No wonder nobody buys the stuff.
  9. GapRunr

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    It certainly feels more responsive with E0, but I don't have any actual numbers from a dyno to back it up. It could be completely psychological. But, if the Corn lobbyists want to pay me to say it feels slower, feel free to PM me. Getting money from endorsing it is the only way I would be pro ethanol.
  10. stevie88

    stevie88 That's gotta hurt

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    Our Suburban feels more responsive on E-85 and under light loads, i.e. no headwind and moderate speeds it's mileage isn't far off of E-10. Start running 85 into a headwind and E-85 mpg drops to about 60% of E-10.
  11. 1911fan

    1911fan Master of the Obvious

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    Seriously? You've got the only vehicle in the USA that runs better on ethanol? I was reluctant to believe some of the posters who think you're an industry stooge, but now you're claiming something that runs against .gov figures and basic math.

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    And not only that when I drink E85, that would be 85% Ethanol, 15 % punch.
    I become smarter, I talk better, think faster, more self-confidant, and as a bonus, women find me more attractive.:lol3:lol3:lol3:freaky
  13. 1911fan

    1911fan Master of the Obvious

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    .... and my wiener gets bigger, too!

    Give it up, Stevie88, and tell us who you work for.




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  14. Red J

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    You need him to tell you?

    :rofl
  15. Steve G.

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    I've been questioning stevie88's motives and reasoning for waxing poetic on ethanol higher than 10% the very first entry I read on this thread. I know what it's done to my bikes, I know what it's done to my friggin lawn mower, and my old buddy who works at a boat marina tells me that its been a nightmare fore boat owners and a boom for their repair shop. Why anyone would defend this 15%+ ethanol move by the US govt. is rather bizzare to me unless that person has a vested interest or a strong misguided social agenda with no thought on the negative effects of that agenda.
  16. 1911fan

    1911fan Master of the Obvious

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    Hmmm.... I wonder...... Why, that would be dishonest! Who would do such a thing? A government lackey, or stooge for the e-crap industry?



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  17. k-moe

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    Last time I went to get gas....nobody made me buy a particular grade of fuel. Don't like it, then don't buy it and it will either go away or just be another option...like Diesel.

    100% ethanol makes a properly built engine push a bike very,very, very fast down the 1/4 mile; so does E85 :evil
  18. Navy Chief

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    And defies the laws of physics....:deal
  19. stevie88

    stevie88 That's gotta hurt

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    Hey, have you run E-85 in anything?
  20. pretbek

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    Don't like it then don't buy it? :norton
    Nobody made me buy 87, 89 or 91 either, but all of them have 10% ethanol in them, at every gas station. So tell me, what choice do I have?