There's two other ways to Young. One is riding to Payson and across 260, then south on some forest road. 500? 512? I can't remember the number. The other is up 87 to Gisela and there's a forest road that heads into the western pastures of Young, through the Sierra Anchas. Old route 188 to coffee pot road to forest road 134 to walnut creek rd, into Young. I'm tempted. I'm supposed to work on my Shadow this weekend, but a ride sounds very tempting.