Economics of reloading ammo(e)

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  1. toolfan

    toolfan Broken Hearted

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    :D I was excited. I get excited about new things. :D


    On the economics - I just updated my excel nerdsheet - I'll pay for the lee loader after 500 rounds, assuming I continue to pay the exorbanate amount I paid for the first 100 bullets. ($23.49 for 100 speer TMJ round nosers. :eek1 )



    On reloading - what's the best way to measure OAL of a round nose cartridge? With a dial caliper, it's hard to ensure that you are on the end of the nose. I'm going to try a micrometer tonight and see if that's easier.
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  2. HardCase

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    So in other words it'll pay for itself by about 2028?? :lol3

    On the OAL question, it isn't super-critical with most ammo, so I'm sure a caliper will do you fine although if you have a micrometer that's long enough for the round that would probably be better.
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  3. toolfan

    toolfan Broken Hearted

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    :lol3

    2020 if I quit my job so I can reload full time...




    Thanks!
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  4. stunt clown

    stunt clown Spaztic

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    I scored some primers yesterday as well!!

    Cabela's must have had 40-50 thousand large pistol.

    Now, if I could find some Bullseye powder I could actually make some something.
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  5. HardCase

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    There's other powder available. I think I've seen 231 which is similar to Bullseye.

    Around here I'll occasionally see pistol primers, usually small but sometimes large as well. No rifle primers of either size in months, however.
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  6. papalobster

    papalobster With Gusto!

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    Every place around here (central WI) is cleaned out of all primers. I picked up a 1k box of WLP's, but I need some for the 357. I have about 100 now, and probably 400 for my rifle cartridges. Powder is available all over. I usually load up with Unique in the 44, I get more bang for the buck:rofl
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  7. Mr Kawasaki

    Mr Kawasaki Sardonios Irritatus

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    It will get faster for you. I have a Lee single stage attached to my "bench" and I also have a Lee hand held press. I can run two operations at once that way (don't have room for a big press). Lee presses are so cheap I might just buy another one. Case trimming still seems to take forever though.

    Lee Precision: The KLR of the reloading presses.
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  8. Motor31

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    Anything you would use bullseye for you can use red dot for. It is also a bulkier powder for similar weight of charge so much harder to get an overload. Since it's primarily a shot gun powder there isn't much of a shortage for red dot, green dot and blue dot all of which can be used for many pistol calibers.
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  9. ShadyRascal

    ShadyRascal Master of None

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    Try Clays, about the same burn rate and it's not so damn dirty. :thumb
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  10. papalobster

    papalobster With Gusto!

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    But then I can't use the "Honey, I'll downstairs cleaning the guns" excuse:evil

    I have 3/4 canister left. I'll have to get some Clays, Unique looks like I've been shooting black powder!
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  11. HardCase

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    Bump.

    A couple of things.....first of all, it seems as though some of the shortages are very gradually beginning to abate. Primers, with the exception of large rifle, are sporadically available now and I'm seeing more in the way of powder and bullets as well. Same with both guns (Glocks, ARs, M1As, S&W revolvers....stuff which had become unobtainable for several months there) and loaded ammo. I realize that this thread is about reloading, but I suspect more than a few new reloaders have been created by the recent "crisis" and consequent upward tick in ammo prices.

    What are you guys seeing? Aurelius? You're in the opposite end of the country from me so I'm curious to know what is and isn't readily available there.

    Recent reloading project of mine: The 9.3x74mmRimmed round!! Picked up a beautiful Ruger No. 1 Medium Sporter in that oddball caliber. It's a .366 bore and bullets aren't readily available. I ordered some from Midway, some Hornady 286 grainers (seems to be a fairly 'standard' weight in that caliber) and also some Nosler PBs, same weight. I'll use it for deer and elk hunting this fall. Dies were tough to find, I ended up ordering both FL and neck sizers directly from RCBS. Just yesterday I rec'd the neck sizer and the seating dies, but the FL sizer was backordered. Oh well, this will get me started. I've got 100 brand new Norma cases, so will put together some rounds this evening and take them to the range this weekend. The power of this large round is less than a 375H&H, probably closer to the 338 Win. Mag. It ought to make a great deer and elk gun out to 200 yards, and I don't take shots on big game beyond that distance anyway. I'm more excited about playing with this strange duck than I have been about any "black gun" or fancy-ass tactical rifle, much as I enjoy all aspects of shooting sports.
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  12. Mr Kawasaki

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    No shortage of guns on the shelves around here. The bulk packs of .22 are still disappearing from wallyworld. Some of the gun shops have them but at $35/500 they are not moving. I've started to see .223 but haven't priced it. Primers are still scarce.
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  13. HardCase

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    I've noticed the same deal on .22, although it is sporadically available. One small shop here seemingly has a nearly endless supply of bricks of Centurion .22 ammo. I'd never seen nor heard of it and asked who made it. He claimed it was made in Mexico by Aquila and it runs about $18 a brick. Anyone ever tried any? I bought a brick and poked it away and will give it a try one of these days.
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  14. P B G

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    My main reloads are 28 and 20 gauge shotshells.

    Costs according to the reloading calculator come to
    3.90/25 for 28 gauge or 156$/1000 this compares to 508+$/1000 for factory ammo.
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  15. toolfan

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    Worse than ever here.

    Bi-mart normally has at least 2 types of ammoes on sale,

    right now, bare shelves. But, they implemented a 4 boxes of ammo limit, so maybe it'll start showing up again. I asked the sporting goods manager about it - he said they are getting stuff in but "people are being pigs."

    The only thing you can buy right now are 12 ga sport loads and .22 rat shot.
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  16. Motor31

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    Things have definitely slowed down in AZ. I went to a gunshow last weekend. There was a major ammo supplier that showed up and they usually bring multiple truck loads of ammo. They took back quite a bit of it this time. Of course part of that is due to the fact that they could not process credit card sales due to equipment problems so were only doing cash sales and the ATM machine ran dry the first day. Still there were other folks with ammo that didn't sell much either.

    Gun sales were doing well so it wasn't a total bust for vendors. Primers were available in fair numbers but there was some price gouging going on as well. Loading dies were still selling well and the pistol calibers went fast.
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    toolfan Broken Hearted

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    I haven't seen a pistol or rifle primer on a shelf yet this year.

    Some dudes are reselling with a HEALTHY mark-up on craigslist and a local outdoor internet market place.
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  18. donnyh

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    Primers and powder are showing up on shelves, and the private party sale prices are returning to sanity.

    No .22lr at all at my local walmart for six months now, Cabelas is the only source in my county for .22, Winchester 500 packs in the fancy wooden box for $27 with a limit of two.

    .380 is still extinct, .40 and .45 are still very very rare.

    One bright spot: 9mm Blazer Brass is showing up at walmart for $9 a box, over a two week period I scored over 2500 rounds of it, one store even had enough that the guy waived the six box limit and sold me a full case.



    Guns are still selling here in Utah at a furious pace, shelves remain mostly empty.



    Side note: New law here in Utah (HB 357), anyone over 18 who isn't a restricted person can now legally carry a handgun concealed in their vehicle.
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  19. HardCase

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    I've noticed that the bigger sellers around here have no bricks of .22, whereas a couple of the small shops have it, albeit oddball brand-name stuff like the Centurion. For the longest time there were no primers, not even shotgun primers, and yet .22 was available on a periodic basis. That has reversed. Odd how spotty and regional this 'shortage' has been.

    I have enough of everything to last me for several years, longer if I were more restrained in my shooting activities, but I would like to pick up some large-rifle primers, that's the only size that I'm a little short on. Not willing to pay scalpers for them however. I'll wait.
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  20. toolfan

    toolfan Broken Hearted

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    I had a primer go off in my lee loader last night. :eek1

    Mildly exciting. :lol3

    But I can do up half a box of 45 when I get home from work nowadays without much problem... :wink:

    Just need to find some more bullets.