Economics of reloading ammo(e)

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  1. pilot

    pilot Slacker Moderator Super Moderator

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    There is a lot of debate about the rifling in Glocks and such. You can usually get away with casting harder alloys for them.

    As for case trimmers, you don't really need one to start out. Pistol brass usually doesn't stretch much, and 30-30 brass is easy enough to come up with, you don't need to keep it forever. If you anneal the cases now and then, they last longer, too.
  2. Andyinhilo

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    You are correct that the straight wall pistol stuff does not usually need trimming. In my experience the bottleneck cases usually need trimming by the second loading.

    I have worked extensively with Glocks and cast lots of different alloys trying to get them to shoot without leading. Never had any luck, so we made up barrels from Douglas blanks. No significant leading then but a lot of work.
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    As for the Glocks, I have had mixed results with lead and the polygonal rifling. Some of my .45 Glocks were immune to lead, others not so much. My 9mm and .40 Glocks tend to lead up pretty bad at factory velocities. I have ended up buying a couple of Lone Wolf barrels (around $100 each on sale) for practicing with lead.

    I have never trimmed pistol brass- it wears out before it stretches that much. High pressure rifle brass (.223 and .308 among many others) will no longer fit in a chamber gage without trimming by the 3rd reloading typically. Lee case trimmers work well and are really cheap- but they aren't adjustable.
  4. pilot

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    I've been looking at aftermarket barrels for my 22. What twist did you use?
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    that depends on how heavy a projectile you intend on shooting and how fast ...
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    I asked what he bought.
  7. Andyinhilo

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    In the 9mm we used 14" and for the .40 16".
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    If I wanted to start reloading for just 45ACP whats the startup cost and cost of the finished rounds?
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    cost of reloading calculator:

    http://ultimatereloader.com/tools/reloading-costs-calculator/


    IF you can find the components these days...


    i found that my cost, NOT including the press and dies, is around $18 per hundred rounds 45 ACP. (230 GR RN).

    the cheapest "practice" ammo i've found is $18 per 50 rounds.

    then add in the press and dies (easily in the hundreds of dollars). depends how fast you want to produce the ammo. a progressive press is much faster. the dillon square deal is $380 including one set of dies.

    if you shoot a couple hundred rounds a year of several different calibers, probably not worth it.

    if you shoot a lot, could be worth it. also, it's probably a good idea to view it as a hobby, not a money saver.
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    How? When I priced stuff the bullets alone were over $18. What are you using?
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    i've been using berry's plated bullets for 9mm and 45ACP.

    right now good luck finding them. i ordered 500 45 bullets from berry's a few months ago for $71. just got them last week. now i'm kicking myself for not ordering more at that time.



    in the same price range also check ranier. montana gold is another company.

    start keeping/collecting your brass now. :D
  12. FPGT72

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    It also comes down to what you shoot. Price 30-40Krag, or 6.5Jap lately....you will reload it even if you only shoot it a few times a year.
  13. El Guero

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    A primer is about 3 cents, cost of Bullseye powder is practically negligible, lead bullet from Missouri Bullet Company is about 9 cents. If you leave out the price of brass, them you are loading for 13 to 14 cents apiece.

    Cast bullets are the way to go unless you are making hunting ammo. If you shop around online you can find good prices, unfortunately powder and primers are hard to come by right now (at least the bullet casters will take your order!)
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    Why buy lead bullets? With a bottom dump lead pot and a lubricator-sizer, you can churn out bullets of any configuration at will. Why pay someone else to make your bullets?
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    We buy in big bulk and it costs me about $10 per 100 for .45ACP using Berry's plated bullets FMJ hollow base 185gr. Of course my friends and I go in together and buy primers 1 Million at a time and bullets 10,000 pounds at a time so YMMV. :deal
    Of course the only reason that we have components right now is because we buy in that kind of bulk. Berry's is 2 years behind on orders and Winchester isn't shipping primers until 2014 at the earliest. Competitive shooting is beginning to be a dying hobby right now due to the shortage. Last year I shot 50,000 rounds... this year it is looking more like 5,000 rounds.
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    Well, in my case, I live in an apartment and don't want to become brain damaged in order to save myself a couple hundred bucks a year :lol3

    I think the better question is, why plated bullets? I don't see what advantages they have over lead bullets cast at the appropriate hardness for the application.
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    I don't shoot very much so the components I have are about to load another 500 rounds or so of 38 Special, and that's probably enough to last me through the year (in addition to the few hundred I already loaded). But, I could see how this would cause a big problem for a competitive shooter. My biggest problem now is that I'm afraid to take other people shooting though I would like to - if somebody starts having fun, they could shoot a big chunk of my ammo and then that's that!
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    Amen to that. I have done a lot of teaching and familiarization over the last 20 years.... most of that is on hold right now for that very reason.
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    I have a decent stash socked away, and it will last a good while. When I quit shooting high power matches, I still had a shelf full of Matchking bullets and match primers and a couple 20 lb kegs of powder. I have M855 ball and GI ball in cans and .45 GI ball. The carry ammo I won't burn up. I can load and cast .38/.357, .44 and .45 Colt, and have .22 cal varmint and match bullets.
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    It is just so hard to find the stuff, It seems like I have had 115g 9mm on order for years.

    I have started a new system...for both the stuff I load and the rimfire stuff, for every box I shoot up I want to have two new boxes, in parts to reload or bought. For example at the last gun show there was a guy selling CCI 22 for $20 per brick...I bought three bricks and shot up an old one I had at home....I came out ahead on that deal....Just so darn hard to find.