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Discussion in 'Alaska' started by AKmud, Jun 4, 2011.
Made a complaint or two to the State DOT and they finally got it swept.
Good Call Mud, Mebbe after I finish "chorin" I'll go quality check the road out...
Cool. Thanks for doing that.
I took my new Point 65N XP 18 kayak up there on Sunday and noticed there was more sand on the road than I'd ever seen.
Eklutna has long been one one of my favorite places for bicycling, hiking, kayaking. Oh, and railing some corners on a sportbike.
Good times. Mark H.
Unusual looking kayak. Looks fast, too. Don't recall seeing anything quite like that before.
You got a good eye there, Lege. Ain't never seen nuthin like it before myself.
Yep, it's a race/touring model designed by a Scandinavian designer named Magnus de Brito. "Magnus has been involved in design projects for industry giants such as Porsche, Intelligent Sound, Pirelli Boats and Agipi Marine. Using computer science technology, Magnus was responsible for streamlining parts of the new generation Porsche Boxter 987, Carrera 997 and Carrera GT.
The Pirelli boat design won the prestigious 2009 Red Dot design award, “Best of the Best.” Working with Pirelli and Agipi Marine has given Magnus engineering experience in marine design technology – experience not usually available to kayak companies."
18' long and 21" wide. Oh yeah, she goes good. Mark H.
Nice looking boat Mark.
How is gear capacity for longish trips?
Primary and secondary stability?
Been on blue water yet?
Thanks. LOTS of load capacity. 350lbs+ Hoping to maybe get to Seward tomorrow for a good saltwater christening.
This is me at 165lbs and about 35lbs onboard. I'm gonna velcro another 25lb barbell plate to the bottom for day tripping ballast.
Looks like you could put size 17 feet toes up in the bow and still have clearance!
Looks like you could put a motor in that sumbish & go like hell.
Takin one of yer Ducs to Seward?
Why you always hatin' on Statey's?
Had a chance to meet ya at your place of "work" (if that's what you call it).
C ya in Dawson!
What about complaining to the right people about riding motorcycles on the trail at Eklutna? Any progress there?
What AK Tobias said. Was just looking up Eklutna Lake Trail the other day and was really perplexed as to why ATVs and snowmachines are ok, but motorcycles aren't...there's just as many 'hooligans' on four wheels
It sucks, but I doubt they will change that rule.
Maybe if we knew just who to hound about it & enough of us did it continuously & relentlessly it could change.
My guess is that they know that dirt bikes could really fly up & down those trails at a pretty good clip. And with use by many bikes it would create berms in all the turns. I know that we sure did years ago when there were many places we could go that are now off limits.
Multi use trails my ass! No use for us at all.
We rode all the trails around Campbell airstrip, around what is now a ski area, over Power Line Pass. Any place there was a jeep trail & many that were just single track thru the woods or alongside some roads. We hauled ass on all of them. Hell, we even had an organized race from Indian up into Power Line Pass & back.
Now those are all off limits because all you damn Cheechackos moved in here & wanted it all civilized & shit & wanted ‘parks’ & paved & groomed trails & crap that I help pay for & don’t use.
“Get the hell outta my woods & clear outta here! GO BACK TO WHERE YA CAME FROM, YA FF's!”
Ok, that stuff gets me riled up a bit.
Just go back to where ya’all came from & I’ll be OK.
Oh, yeah! After the 1964 earthquake riding the mud flats at Portage around the 20 Mile River & where the AK Wildlife Conservation Center is was GREAT fun. There was even a track there with regular races for a while in the 70s. All of that is now grown over with a lot of tall grass & such where it was once all wide open mud flats & lots of space. Don’t know what “the authorities” would do if you tried riding there now. There may be some open & not overgrown areas around the bend & on the other side of the arm. I’d sure like to ride there some more. Was like riding on modeling clay. Max traction. Watch out for the wet, soft spots!
Getting back to knowing who to hound relentlessly about a rule change to allow bikes.
I would suggest if this could be done that the rule we propose would be that only licensed bikes would be allowed to use the trails. Maybe even a damn speed limit.
I really don’t want it that way, but it might help dispel the vision that the keepers of that area would or do have of truck loads & herds & packs of loud & fast MX bikes converging on the place.
It’s a thought, but I ain’t gonna hold my breath waiting for the rules to change.
Another trail option:
I do know that you can somehow get a pass to ride the Fort Richardson tank trails. Used to do this & & get onto other trails, like under the power line, & ride clear to Eklutna.
AKgeekgrrl has done this & told me about it. I sort of forget about it but wanted her to line out what & where you need to go & do for the pass. I think you just go to one particular guard station at the entrance to the base & apply for the pass. You must have a safety vest to ride the trails, just like anywhere on base. Fun trails.
There once was single track trail in one spot off the tank trail that went thru the woods & led to a mountain top. Over the other side, down, & up to another mountain top too. Wonder if I could still find it.
Maybe I’ll send AKgeekgrrl a PM & see if I can lure her into this thread to tell us exactly how to get the pass. If she wants to keep it to herself, I wouldn’t blame her.
Anybody else done this?
AKgeekgrrl very seldom posts & I haven’t seen her in 2-3 years. I’ll bet she was racing at Tanacross last weekend on her Ninja 250. Tim McKittrick was there. His friend & mine, Don D. was also racing one of his Ninja 250s there last weekend & had his front wheel fold under & he lowsided. Got hurt. Seems to be ribs. He’s hurtin’ pretty bad. Don’t slap him on the back!
Poor bastage is about my age too.
Damn, that’s a lotta typin’ fer me.
No kidding! That would be great but like Tom said it would really get torn up by all the wild high speed moto-x'ers.
Man, Tom. You musta really been in the mood to do some writin'! lol Oh, and as usual, masterful photochop.
Finally got the kayak into so blue water down on Resurrection Bay yesterday. Big wind so crazy fun!
Wrote a wave riding report in the Canoe and Kayak thread: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=16106336#post16106336
And not a single picture, even!
I have to chime in now. . . Your idea about licensed bikes only is a good one, definitely worth checking into. A speed limit would just be icing. There should be a way you could all use the trails.
DNR has the regs under them and are who you need to talk to. It would actually take quite the process requiring review by state lawyers and everything to have things changed, but it's no problem because that's what they are there for. Or so I thought. I found the exact regulations that nix both Eklutna Lake Trail and Bird Creek Trail and will locate them again if someone would like to pursue it. I'll even show you where to meet those. . . . mmmmm. . . I'll take you to them.
A word of warning, after the M word came out of my mouth they were not nice at all. I was nothing but polite and professional through the whole thing, and that is not what I got back. They cited PSI on the ground as the reason for the regs. The thing is the bicycles, but mostly horses, put much more psi on the ground than the average dual sport. From there the conversation was over. Period. When I asked where I go or who I talk to from there (meaning up the chain), the person I was talking to said, "There's nothing you can do. Maybe if you were trying one of those Rokon bikes with the big tires", and then moved on to the next customer - as I'm still standing in front of him. Like it's that one man's decision who the hell gets to ride the trail and why.
At this point I am thoroughly confused by DNR - Parks & Rec. I've met a lot of cool people that work for them & never met a park ranger that wasn't cool. . . but walk into that office and it's a whole different ball game. I'll gladly support any efforts to open those trails by providing research and such, but I lack the tact required to work with people that have such a strong predetermined prejudice.
Wow. Not one bad word! I'm not sure I could've stopped if I got started. Best of luck to anyone pursuing this. Like I said, I'll help with research material, process and procedure if someone else will do the talking. It was about two years ago I got burnt by them, so maybe that f. . . . maybe there's been a staff turnover since.
Gimme a shout via PM and I might be able to take this a step further. No gar-un-tee's but I'll give it the ol' silver-tongued try. Plus, I like to SEE the ordinance/statute/AAC or whatever it is they use before I start bumpin' my gums. Sometimes it just a matter presenting the facts and then politely pointing out HOW DAMN STUPID....oh, er, I mean presenting a new proposal.
Seriously, gimme a shout and I'll work this with you. Worse that can happen is nothing changes.
I hope I don't get flamed by other users of the Fort Rich ORV trails for revealing this "secret." It's kind of a pain in the ass to get on base as every soldier has a different idea of what the rules are. That in itself should keep the crowds down, which is good because trail traffic is a total free-for-all. Ride safely and respectfully so we can all continue to enjoy the privilege. There's some fun terrain there for lighter bikes (like my ex-DR350.)
Sadly, they don't let you ride the tank trail Tom refers to that'd run you to Eklutna.
Marbee40: Let's do it. PM Sent.
It took an email to the head dude this year but the road got swept yesterday! Still a bit of dust in places but this rain will clear most of that up.
The road is in good shape but the Eklutna overpass still has a lot of gravel. Also, the bridge between T-bird and Eklutna on the Old Glenn has been closed so you will have to take the Eklutna exit to make it to Eklutna Lake rd.
Dang! I remember back when we could drive all the way back to the glacial moraine at the far end of the lake and nobody cared. Used to take Boy Scout troops up there for weekend campouts, had picnics, etc. Army held glacier training back there and Jeeps, 3/4's, and duece-and-a-halfs all went back and forth without tearing up the road. Doggone desk jockeys ruint it all! :ddog