Electric is getting more interesting

Discussion in 'Australia' started by oodeano, May 16, 2014.

  1. ToriMish

    ToriMish Been here awhile

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    I'm very interested in this; the Freeride E-XC, and also the Alta Redshift. I am considering giving one a try in the next year or so, but by the looks of it the Alta isn't available here in Australia and this is all I can find on the KTM Freeride E in Australia : http://www.ktm.com/au/e-ride/freeride-e-sx-1/ Guess I'll contact a dealer and see what I can find out . . .
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    ToriMish Been here awhile

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    This is also really interesting; though a trials biased electric trail bike : https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/a819de_25fb11119f9b4365bbb2534d6da9b11c.pdf

    Makes good sense though; an Alta or KTM Freeride E would be fairly analogous to my Beta; maybe having an electric trials bike would be a sweet way to build more advanced skills and also a great way to explore the local mountain ranges :ricky in a stealthy manner ....
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    I agree @ToriMish , I think an electric trials bike would be brilliant. I've often thought about messing around with a trials bike, but living in the 'burbs means I'd need to trailer one out to the countryside, and if it involves that much effort I'd probably just take my 450 enduro and go for a blast.

    However, with an electric trails bike I could mess around in the back yard without pissing off the neighbours, and could even consider playing around in the odd industrial area or shopping centre car park after hours without attracting attention.

    The main issue with elec trials is weight - at least it was when I looked at them a couple of years ago. The EMLite is getting pretty close tho - 76kg vs about 66kg (dry) for a 2t Beta 250. I wonder if anyone is importing them to Aus?

    More info on their website: http://emmoto.com/models/2018-lite/
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    Gone Troppo Somewhat bemused observer

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    That looks very interesting, thanks.
  6. ToriMish

    ToriMish Been here awhile

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    I spoke with Richard Kent yesterday; from Queensland. He's a trials bike rider and an importer for Electric Motion here in Australia. I'm very interested in the Electric Motion Escape :



    Here is Richard riding an EM Trials bike in a Queensland trials event :



    Apparently, the EM Escape can be rec rego'd here in Victoria. :clap:clap:clap

    I have been setting up a bunch of log crossings in the front paddock; I could really go nuts with a home trials course and have endless amounts of fun on a little EM Trials bike!!!

    Oh what a time to be alive :)
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    AusGoFar get back on that horse

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    Electrics getting interesting, 90k/hrs on the stealth is interesting
  8. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    :eek2 impressive ponies... in a light configuration... :clap

    ... that photo - taken on asphalt (I can grasp)...

    But how do these Stealth (hybrid mtb/e-motos) feel at those sorta speeds on the dirt... in a trail situation...

    A lot of the vid's I have watched show them being piloted by younger (mtb,cyclist types) who often fit in the 65 kg to 75 kg demographic...

    How the brakes, wheels/rims forks etc. "cope" on these things or feel when pushed riders at the upper end of the scale - say 85 to 95 kg's or so? I've done a lot of miles on enduro and freeride type pushbikes and often contemplate what the ride would be like with an e-powerplant to assist... but 90 klicks worth...? wow!? :eek7

    A moto "sits" in the turns and ruts - thanks partially to its mass... when I push the speeds of the mtb/freerider (on downhill trails) it feels decidedly more twitchy... a) the riders mass is greater than that of the bike, and b) the footprint/contact patch of they tire/rotating mass of the wheel is considerable less - as a percentage compared to the big bastard in the saddle.

    I am curious to hear from those (full sized aussies) that have ridden a Stealth or similar, to know what the "ride" is like... as there are tons of places here in Swednavia where I reckon I could have a ball on one...
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    BygDaddee Where do I get a pie

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    ToriMish Been here awhile

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    Pittbull Old Dog learning new tricks

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    I just went through this thread, now I want several more electric bikes. So far here in Canada the only ones available are the Zero's, one that Victory made before Polaris shut down the Victory line and the EM's like I bought. There is a bunch of Chinese crap out there for scooters and I've heard the Alta's are around somewhere. These are interesting times.
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    Gone Troppo Somewhat bemused observer

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    Once the battery energy density problem is solved (and there is serious money being thrown at the problem...) it will be game over...
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  14. ToriMish

    ToriMish Been here awhile

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    He was using a bit of dry humour.
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    It’s funny that this thread was started in May 2014 ... 3 1/2 years later and still nothing interesting enough for most of us to buy.

    Is there any way to change the title to ‘electric will be getting more interesting in maybe 10 years’ ...
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    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    Three and a half years.... eh? The advancements in (Electric motorcycle technology/advancement) during that time have been pretty respectable - I think... The Freeride E is an OEM "off the dealership floor" reality - today - for those that want one. The ALTA MOTORS Redshift has taken a quantum leap in offroad performance... the range/performance of some of the road purpose/street version E-motorcycles that are on the market, are starting to show the first signs of "real world viability/every day application"... proof that the charge time/energy density/battery weight equation is beginning to be solved...

    Three and a half years... it takes many of the Japanese manufacturers three or four times that to update their decade old offerings (if at all)... or at least as long to release a new model (from concept... thru PR circus... to showroom :lol3)... so I reckon the electric moto crowd are doing a faily good job... considering.
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    Gone Troppo Somewhat bemused observer

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    Yep - for sure. And the development will only accelerate.
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    Was just watching those couple of vids above, and I'm not sure if it is just me but i found them boring to watch. Not from a skills or riding perspective, but the noise. The wine and lack of sound just doesn't make it interesting. I am sure riding them would be different but from a visual side, sound play's an important part. I watched some electric formula 1 style racing on the telly and it was extremely boring to me, amazing how all your senses work together to create an overall package. Maybe i am just stuck in the dark ages, but i couldn't see me going to watch any scale electric type motorsport.
  19. ToriMish

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    Troy summed it up succinctly; and if you think nothing has been going on, you just haven't been paying attention. I hadn't been, not until recently, and I'm amazed to find that the future is now.

    Granted, I'm looking at electric trials and enduro models. I watched this recently and was blown away by the performance on offer by the Alta. This shit is very exciting for a dirt-biker :



    Watch that and tell me that we should still change the thread name?

    On the topic of big ADV bikes . . . I haven't been looking as closely at E development on that front. I know Zero have some really nice machines, but I'm not sure how well they would stack up vs the current slew of petrol motherships. Here are some stats I have found on the current offering from Zero :

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    They are very nice and have come a long way but still not much more than a novelty for our style of riding.
    Range, carrying capacity, there are still a few things to sort out.
    I might just mention range again. Improved heaps in the last few years along with power, torque and speed, but seriously, I would just get to Ballarat from Melbourne then have to charge up over an 11.5 hour coffee break.
    Still a ways to go yet.

    I would be more interested in a stealth at the moment. Resale would still be a worry once they really get on top of the battery situation.