Elefant Sightings?

Discussion in 'Moto Bellissima: All Other Dualsports' started by erappaport, May 24, 2006.

  1. 5th-Elefant

    5th-Elefant Long timer

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    I don't know who makes the OEMs, not Lucas though. The CDIs are japanease, so maybe the reg/recs are too?
  2. azcagiva

    azcagiva new orange flavor

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    If it were me I would pull the belt covers and make sure everything is cool before you crank it over anymore. Just to be sure the timing dots are where they should be. Probably not what happened but easy to check. If they are not or the belt broke then the compression test will tell you if the valves are bent. If so you might consider putting the bigger heads on it.

    As far as finding someone to work on it it is just a 2v ducati engine. Nothing too exotic.

    Richbebe on the board here was parting out one of his elefants he might still have the stock airbox. I would recomend putting one back on if you do any off road riding.

    -John
  3. «dmx_must_fly»

    «dmx_must_fly» Elefant Rider

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    You better stop all the rumors about the Elefant right here right now!!!
    the Elefants does not catch fire easily!
    on some Elefants the rear brake was not maintained properly so it got stuck, overheated and then caught fire.
    the reg is cocusan or something like that (I don't know how to spell it correctly) and it does fail but only very rarely but very rarely catch fire. more likely it will just stop working.
    there is no reason for a spark near the air filter.
    KingRWB you should check your electrical connections around the airbox. check the coils connections, the sparkplug leads connections and so on. there should be no source for spark anywhere near the airbox.
    hope that not to much damege was doen to the bike.
  4. jdoiv

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    There have been stories of several Fants catching fire. Not sure if they all shared the same problems though. I do know that the stock fuse box is a piece of crap though and will eventually need to be upgraded if you haven't all ready. I was lucky with mine in that it just overheated, melted and stopped working. Sold the bike two years ago and still miss it, maintenance headaches and all.
  5. flyben

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    Well well ... nice amount of idea but

    original Reg on Fant are DUCATI ENERGIA
    they burn sometimes but only if you don't take care to your bike and what she tells you when running . if there's a problem find it before insisting on giving gas..

    Pod filters on mikuni is a crazy idea by cold weather and mainly when not too cold ..
    I explain

    Carb Icing ! You get the ice into the middle of carb, full of gas get into the engine, and you get backfire form the engine through the carbs that burns the pod filters

    I know fant quite well and if KingRWB was able to get those filters out easyly, I don't see it possible with an original air box ..
    It's not the first ducati engine that put"s fire on his pods ..

    so : get an AIRBOX on your engine. Fant engine are developped for torque not for power

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  6. KingRWB

    KingRWB n00b

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    Thanks for all the ideas. Here's an update.

    Did a compression check, 125 in the front, 105 in the back. While that obviously proves that the 50k mile 900 is a little tired, but no real valve damage during the event.

    The belts also look great. Looks like they are fairly new as well...

    One of the pods melted down into the carb, and stuck the vacumm slide open. I'm guessing that prevented the engine from starting back up after the fire. I removed the carbs and cleaned them. I was going to replace the burnt vacumm slide (that's what you call it right, it has a diaphram attached), but the cost is $160. I looked on ebay, and pick a new set of Mikuni carbs, the exact same model on the bike, brand new for $150 USD.

    I'm hoping when they come in two weeks, I can stick them on and off I'll be. If any one of the issue above were the problem, the carbs should help, or at least it will run. If it's something with the ignition, then I'm stuck again.

    By the way, I picked up some K&N filters for it. Not the stock air box, but K&N are considered legal spark arresters in some states...

    Rob
  7. KingRWB

    KingRWB n00b

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    Forgot to mention that Carb Icing was probibly unlikely. It was about 50 degrees out. I ment the bike itself was still cold, another words I hadn't let it warm up yet....Rob
  8. Durangoman

    Durangoman Yeah its me!

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  9. 5th-Elefant

    5th-Elefant Long timer

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    I don't know... I had some fun in the snow today :1drink

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  10. commo_soulja

    commo_soulja Supa Thumpa Pilot

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  11. flyben

    flyben Adventurer

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    Had a nice weekend at the begining opf march
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    a friend came with his 900 ie also
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  12. Chadleys1

    Chadleys1 working on it

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    I've been wanting one of these since I first found out about the Paris Dakar as a kid. This one is getting ready to be stripped down and rebuilt.
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  13. Donkey Hotey

    Donkey Hotey De Jo Momma

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    You probably won't stumble onto this so here is a thread about rebuilding that shock:

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233744

    There is a plastic topping-spacer in that shock that limits the travel to 7.5 inches. If you remove it, the shock extends to allow 9" of travel (same as the fork).

    This is the post:
    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4919842&postcount=1096

    You can see that the bike doesn't really lean over much more than stock. I think Cagiva intended for it to work that way. It allowed those 'in the know' to modify the shock and get the full offroad capability out of the chassis.

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  14. Chadleys1

    Chadleys1 working on it

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    Sweet.
    Thanks for the knowledge, man, I appreciate that.
    -cool thread.
    I have a lot of studying to do.
  15. Chadleys1

    Chadleys1 working on it

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    Will an 18" rear wheel/tire setup work on an 87 650 Elefant ?
    I am currently in the process of reading this entire thread, but haven't found out yet... just wondering.
  16. Donkey Hotey

    Donkey Hotey De Jo Momma

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    The far easiest way to go to an 18" tire would be to just relace the wheel. Otherwise, you're getting into the brakes, etc. You can get the TKC tires in the 17/21 combo so I'm not sure why you'd bother (they're mounted in that photo of my bike). Or do you have some other reason?
  17. Chadleys1

    Chadleys1 working on it

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    I was a unclear in the way I worded my question.

    I was wondering if the diameter of the tire would be too big and make contact with the swingarm.
  18. Chadleys1

    Chadleys1 working on it

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    My reason is just that an 18 rear and all that goes with it, is what I've become accustomed to in a dualsport bike. I'm not even sure if I would want to swap it and have to worry about finding the proper size sprockets or whether or not the speedo would read correctly. I was just wondering if it would fit, as I was planning on getting some new hoops and spokes, anyway.
    Mine have more dents than I like.

    Oh yeah, my other reason would be that I want my rear tire to be one inch taller than DonkeyHotey's... hahah -kidding
  19. friar mike

    friar mike IronButtGruver

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    just got them today thay both run and thay were FREE !!!!!!!:clap
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  20. Donkey Hotey

    Donkey Hotey De Jo Momma

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    OK, I'll bite: why were they free? Is it that hard to sell a motorcycle in winter in Alaska? :scratch