Emergency firstaid for motorcyclist

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by runnin4melife, Nov 4, 2012.

  1. fuelish

    fuelish Been here awhile

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    How about butterfly closures? I have used those a couple of times when going in to get stitched up was not possible.
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  2. runnin4melife

    runnin4melife Been here awhile

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    Fuelish, a simple band aid can be cut to form a butterfly closure, steri strips are great for this as well. You can also use medical tape too. I try to keep my kit to items that have more than one use, and the more the merrier. But they are so small you can easily pack them too. I find that out of everything I have I generally use the band aids and the ace wraps more often than anything. Both of which for minor things like a small cut or a wrist sprang.
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  3. tokyoklahoma

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  4. runnin4melife

    runnin4melife Been here awhile

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    So I looked at the kit, this is modeled after the kits designed for the individual soldier to carry. I looked particularly at the DARK Complete kit, this has a HALO seal (for chest wounds), NPA, set of nitrile gloves (black, never liked black gloves...), combat gauze, compressed gauze, shears, and israeli styled bandage. All of these items are great but for $165 that is a bit steep!

    You can get by with general trauma shears, they are what I use. The HALO seals are for sucking chest wounds, so they have a great application and I actually carry a few in my large aid bag. The problem is that you must still needle decompress if you have developed a tension pneumothorax, so unless you're comfortable putting a large bore two inch needle in your chest they kind of become worthless. Also I tend to utilize petroleum impregnated gauze for sucking chest wounds more so that the Halo seals, they work great for a chest tube covering though!

    The nitrile gloves can be sourced from anywhere, these are super thick and black, two things I do not want, first I want some tactile discrimination, and secondly I want to see or not see blood on my hands. The NPA is actually a great thing for motorcyclists because you can place it in an obtunded persons nose and create a better airway for them.

    Compressed gauze is great, as is combat gauze but shy of a super duper wound you shouldn't need the combat gauze. The israeli like dressings are essentially an ace wrap with a dressing at the beginning, this can be overcome with some compressed gauze and an ace wrap.

    They charge an exceptional amount of money for israeli dressings and they are good but you can use cheaper items and achieve the same effect. Now for a soldier in a mad dash this is a great all in one item but out on the trail we aren't getting shot at, hopefully not.

    These companies are looking to make a buck off of a prepackaged system, just like the first aid kits they sell. Be wary of what you can use and what you cannot. I pulled out an old household first aid kit I have had for quite sometime and was amazed at the novel items I will never use in there.
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  5. runnin4melife

    runnin4melife Been here awhile

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    If you want to fill a whole pannier you can get a huge London bridge bag and fill it up to your hearts content. I have this bag that I carry in my truck, I do not know why but I tend to be around things when they go badly and have used quite a bit of these items in this kit. This is all advanced stuff though, way beyond the scope of paramedics etc... But I wanted to provide a perspective of what you can have to what I actually carry on the trails with me. There are a few critical elements to medical equipment.

    Do you know how to use it? Do you know when to use it? Do you know when not to use it? Will it make a difference if you do use it?

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  6. Ronin ADV

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    This bears repeating.

    Nice kit BTW. A bit too much for the bike but looks good for the truck. I also have that stupid magnet of coming up on auto wreck horrorshows when I'm out driving. I like the gloves and some sort of face mask if you have to do rescue breathing. I've gotten covered with other peoples blood too many times.
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  7. tokyoklahoma

    tokyoklahoma 75%has been 25%wanabe

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    Thank you for the quick reply.
    I have an interest in the subject but no training.
    Some of my buddies are paramedics, but I worry what I would do if THEY were the one needing help.

    I don't panic at least.:wink:
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  8. runnin4melife

    runnin4melife Been here awhile

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    Tokyo, you can watch some of the videos I am making, or get with your friends and have them teach you some stuff. Murphy's Law will dictate that you will be the one providing the care to the one that has the knowledge and skill... Damn Murphy's Law!

    Ronin, yeah I always dawn my protective kit, gloves and eye pro at the very least. In the military I know that most of my fellow members are free of communicable blood borne pathogens but I know nothing of the ordinary person out in the world.
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    tokyoklahoma 75%has been 25%wanabe

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    Yeah.....that Murphy guy is a prick. :splat
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  10. wmax351

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    I think a lot depends on what riding you are doing. For me, I am almost entirely street or populated dirt. So my goal is to be seen, for someone to help. I am not going to need to ride/walk out.

    I keep the usuals: Ace bandages, sterile gauze, a big petrolatum gauze, band aids, providone iodine swabs, steri-strips, gorilla tape, an albuterol inhaler (I used to have athsma, nice to have in general). I have tools that can be used for splinting if need be. When I am traveling, I have an inflatable "Therm-a-rest" pad, which works as a great splint. Also have a flashlight and a headlamp.
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  11. Snowy

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    Hahaha...yeah, in the military (ex Grunt)I knew what my mates had been shagging and they were more likely to be carrying than the Skinnies were. I wouldn't even share a coffee cup with the degenerates.

    When you possess the med kit and the grunts come to you saying they have a problem and they are undoing their pants, you just know it aint gunna be pretty. It's had a few weeks of desert heat to fester. They only come to you when they're on deaths door.

    After that, gunshots and amputations are almost a relief.:lol3



    I think over the last couple of years I've helped with neck and spinal injuries, 2 compound spiral femur fractures, one open...and a few dislocations, couple of dozen broken ribs, and a couple of "spurters". Be prepared, and be prepared to improvise. Keep your wits about you and update your training. I'm an old ex Grunt, and some treatments have improved significantly since we used paracetamol, penicillin powder and Betadine drops to treat everything from tinea to syphilis.

    One of the most significant factors in saving one guy was getting the location to the inbound helicopter. I'd done it hundreds of times in the army, but on this occasion grabbed a GPS I'd never seen or used off another bike that was set for a different location format to what I use (I use mils and military grid on mine which had a flat battery, it was degrees of Lat and Long on the one I grabbed) and had to stop and think before I got it right because it had a stupid mouse pad thing. Seeing the chopper coming at you flat out on a dead straight bearing is a good feeling.

    The paramedics got us together and told us that we'd done everything exactly right, given them all the information they needed on the flight in, and that I gave them a patient handover they'd expect from a doctor. The guys doctor says he owes us his life. Even the trail bike cop that showed up cut us a break and told us we were the single best equipped and outfitted group he'd ever seen out in the bush. He could have been a real prick and started checking bikes over like they all do here. Instead when he left, he popped a wheelstand from a standing start and flat shifted all the way to top gear with the wheel in the air.

    It's a good feeling to know when it all turns to shit you can save a friends life.
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  12. runnin4melife

    runnin4melife Been here awhile

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    Well the military has changed a bit since then but then again it hasn't.

    I feel you on the GPS issues, I carry a Garmin Etrex and am familiar with degrees/mins/secs, MGRS, and other nav platforms. This is crucial for getting an extraction. For a long time I was looking at the SPOT locators and refrained because of the expense and the inability to track/hone. I have a personal EPIRB that I love, I don't carry it much but when I drive to Alaska I will keep it on me. Just like with the medical equipment you have to know what you have, its limitations and benefits. The SPOT is great for some things and awful for others, plus it is mad cash! I figure between my EPIRB and my iridium sat phone I have access to everything I need.
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  13. G19Tony

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    I carry much the same stuff as the OP. I keep it in my backpack, which, hopefully will stay with me in a get off. I carry a first aid book, as I don't really have any training, but I will fix that soon. I also carry a 406PLB, in case things really go bad.
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    runnin4melife Been here awhile

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    I really like EPIRBs because they can be used for a variety of rescues and pretty much work anywhere. Although a spot has utility I just find them lacking for real world rescues.
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    I carry more or less the same things, except I have a set of water bandages for burns. It's called second skin or something like that. If a bike falls on you, muffler on exposed skin, I'd rather seal that with something not sticky :deal
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    The round LED strobe looks like a pack of birth control pills at first glance...One can never be over prepared.:lol3
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    runnin4melife Been here awhile

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    I don't bother with taking birth control regularly, I live life dangerously and rely on two methods. Either "falling down the stairs" or the good old RU486. JK :rofl

    I have velcro on it and have put it on my helmet at night before and people GTFO!
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  18. PT Rider

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    Should something be available for eyes other than gauze & tape? If so, what? I know that most riders have eye protection, but that can get knocked off in a crash.
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    runnin4melife Been here awhile

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    For eyes there are few things you can carry. I recommend having either a camel back or other water source with just water so that you can drink it, and use it for any other purpose (radiator fluid, eye irrigant/flush, wound flushing, putting out a small fire, squirting your friend etc..). Your eye is composed of the actual eye, a variety of musculature and the the bony structure around it. If you have a puncture and the object remains you should splint it in place while putting the least amount of pressure on the injury and protecting the open wound. If there is not a puncture and you were capable of removing debris but corneal abrasions occurred ensure that all debris has been removed, then create the best pirate patch you can make. I suggest carrying a few cutips for debris removal. The eye is an injury that is no fun at all, I wear ballistic rated sunglasses that cover my eyes/orbit completely. By ballistic rated I quite literally mean that my ESS glasses can stop a low velocity .22 cal short. In my opinion the best way to prevent an eye injury is to wear proper safety gear.

    In summary, irrigate, remove non-embedded debris, splint/stabilize anything fixed in the eye, get immediate medical attention. Depending on where you are and the severity of the injury you may be helo'd out (life, limb, eye sight). Shortly I will make a small video covering some of these techniques.
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  20. Jan from Finland

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    You should cover both eyes to prevent eye movements. Your eyes always track together (unless there is brain damage).

    Why to carry a space/thermal blanket? Do you use it for something else than just keeping you warm? I would guess that your normal riding gear keeps you warm enough. I might take instead an eye wash bottle which has an ergonomic eye cup for washing. Getting dirt to your eyes is quite common even if you wear proper safety gear.

    I would also substitute the Leatherman for proper scissors which actually can cut though riding gear if needed.

    What would you carry for cooling burns, besides the Camelbak? Is cold spray or cold gel worth carrying?
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