Emergency firstaid for motorcyclist

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by runnin4melife, Nov 4, 2012.

  1. ReDaLeRt

    ReDaLeRt Adventurer

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2012
    Oddometer:
    12
    Location:
    Lisbon, Portugal
    Hi,

    I Loved you videos but there are some questions on my noob head:

    Where do you carry the medical kit?

    If you caring it with you, may probably cause morve injuries ou inutilize it in a crash cenario.

    On the bike, may probably get dozens of meters away from you making almost impossible getting to it if there is any hard injury on the lower members or on any other place that limits your movements or erect walk.

    It is wise to substitute Betadine with some other form, like Bepanthene Plus?

    Thank you in advance,
    #41
  2. ecubed

    ecubed LFC Cat

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2009
    Oddometer:
    696
    Location:
    Nova Scotia & Virgina
    r4l,

    Nice "kit".. Thanks!

    I need to add the epi pen and more Ace.

    Awesome post idea.......keep it going!

    Not to shanghai your post.........

    Before any group ride I tell everyone that I have a "Trauma Kit" and where it is located. (just in case they need it on me)

    Mainly....in your opinion, would you consider aspirin or ?nitroglycerin? for a heart attack or symptoms?:eek1

    Thanks for your time and input......
    eee
    #42
  3. Jan from Finland

    Jan from Finland Been here awhile

    Joined:
    May 2, 2005
    Oddometer:
    621
    The problem is that the EpiPen needs a prescription and it has a limited shelf life about 12-18 months. Probably less when subject to elements in your pack.
    #43
  4. Bucho

    Bucho Long timer

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Oddometer:
    2,408
    Location:
    Maryland
    Interesting thread.

    Reminds me I need to restock my kit (small uses in the past), and get another larger kit. Now that I have a sidecar I can load it down w/ all kinds of stuff...
    #44
  5. ecubed

    ecubed LFC Cat

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2009
    Oddometer:
    696
    Location:
    Nova Scotia & Virgina
    Right,,,,how about Benedril? (sp).
    #45
  6. GeckoRider

    GeckoRider Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2002
    Oddometer:
    449
    Location:
    Oakland, CA, USA, Thrid Rock from the Star Sol
    Just about any medication will not hold up well to being left out exposed to the elements vs sitting in your medicine cabinet. So replace it a little bit sooner than the label says and you can be rather sure everything is A-OK. Besides it is cheap being OTC. Since your question is not too clear to me I will rattle on hoping to hit the mark. For allergic reactions like the type you get from insect stings (bees, wasps, scorpions, etc) epi is the life saver. Benedril will take too long to really help in emergency situations. So don't skimp if you have such an allergy and keep your epi near by. But for general hay fever, and other mild allergies it is fine if it works for you.
    #46
  7. runnin4melife

    runnin4melife Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2012
    Oddometer:
    806
    Location:
    "No shit when I was back at Bragg!!!"
    Sorry everyone I got busy with school and working on my bike but will get back to this ASAP!
    #47
  8. runnin4melife

    runnin4melife Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2012
    Oddometer:
    806
    Location:
    "No shit when I was back at Bragg!!!"
    Why to carry a space/thermal blanket? Do you use it for something else than just keeping you warm? I would guess that your normal riding gear keeps you warm enough. I might take instead an eye wash bottle which has an ergonomic eye cup for washing. Getting dirt to your eyes is quite common even if you wear proper safety gear. Just as you stated below, if I need to cut/remove equipment a pair of trauma shears are ideal. I have a benchmade tactical stapcutter that I keep with me as it is smaller and will go through just about anytype of riding gear. But you have to be careful because it will go through a person easily too. Once the clothing is removed I may not be able to maintain body temp and a thermal blanket is ideal for that. And even if the individual was thermal regulating just fine they can decompensate or go into shock and drastically reduce body temps.

    I would also substitute the Leatherman for proper scissors which actually can cut though riding gear if needed. refer above, good idea!

    What would you carry for cooling burns, besides the Camelbak? Is cold spray or cold gel worth carrying? So a lot of these over the counter burn agents rely on topical local anesthetics and generally only work for a short time. The goal with a burn is to clean as much as possible (with sterile or an antimicrobial agent) and then cover with a good dressing while out and about until further care can be provided if necessary. So if a burn agent makes this more tolerable for the initial scrub down to remove debri or what ever that is a good idea but its effects will wear off shortly. Give them 800mg of ibuprofen to help with pain/inflamation, keep it clean and get to proper treatment. Burns are no fun!
    #48
  9. runnin4melife

    runnin4melife Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2012
    Oddometer:
    806
    Location:
    "No shit when I was back at Bragg!!!"
    Hi,

    I Loved you videos but there are some questions on my noob head:

    Where do you carry the medical kit? I carry my kit on the back of my bike, it is almost too cumbersome to have on my person but if I was wearing my backpack/camelback I could carry it in there. As you stated below you could be displaced from your bike and may have to rely upon your own efforts or a riding partner to get to it. I have been injured in quite a few crashes and have had to drag my self back to civilization. This is not fool proof sorry. I do carry one large and med ace bandage in a pocket on me though. With these I can splint a bone or sprang and hopefully make it to the bike.

    If you caring it with you, may probably cause morve injuries ou inutilize it in a crash cenario. Good point but if you carry soft stuff in a pocket, for immediate aid such as an ace wrap that will most likely not cause harm.

    On the bike, may probably get dozens of meters away from you making almost impossible getting to it if there is any hard injury on the lower members or on any other place that limits your movements or erect walk.

    It is wise to substitute Betadine with some other form, like Bepanthene Plus? You can utilize any form of topical antimicrobial that you desire, the rule of thumb for betadine and alcohol is that they must actually dry to get the antimicrobial effects.

    Thank you in advance,
    #49
  10. runnin4melife

    runnin4melife Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2012
    Oddometer:
    806
    Location:
    "No shit when I was back at Bragg!!!"
    Before any group ride I tell everyone that I have a "Trauma Kit" and where it is located. (just in case they need it on me). This is a great idea! I do the same thing as well as crossload item needed for recovery like who has an aircompressor, tire tools etc... the more you are familiar with each other and their equipment the better off everyone is!

    Mainly....in your opinion, would you consider aspirin or ?nitroglycerin? for a heart attack or symptoms?:eek1
    If you are riding with anyone that has a heart condition they may want to rethink their hobby but for the occasion where it spontaneously occurs and well you happen to have something more potent there are some legal ramifications that can occur. As nitro is a Rx med it could be bad news if they take it and stuff goes wrong, heck it could be be bad news if it goes right and people report you. A baby aspirin helps, it is not as effective as nitro. Nitro is a vasodilator and aspirin is a cox inhibitor so if you give nitro it will lower their blood pressure and increase the flow to the ischemic portion of the heart. Couple that with a baby apsirin which reduces clotting and you have a pretty decent outcome. But be wary, I cannot recommend this as I mentioned above but I cannot stop it. Definitely research the Rx if you are going to carry it so it can be utilized properly.

    Thanks for your time and input......
    #50
  11. runnin4melife

    runnin4melife Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2012
    Oddometer:
    806
    Location:
    "No shit when I was back at Bragg!!!"
    Benadryl or diphenhydramine will help for an allergic reaction but they are not that efficacious for an anaphylactic reaction. I carry epi because I am allergic to bees and am not sure how far away I am from a full on reaction. Epi in autoinjectors lasts quite a bit longer than they state on the packaging. Actually almost every single medication lasts a lot longer than the "expiration". There are a few solutions that do not but those aren't relative here, now how do I know this? Well the military stock piles a boat load of meds and if everything was going bad every one to two to three years we would be burning money at an astronomical rate. But low and behold expirations make people spend more money because they do not know that many things last past that date. I will say that unless you are taking epi to 140+'F or below 0'F it will do its job within a two year window.
    #51
  12. ecubed

    ecubed LFC Cat

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2009
    Oddometer:
    696
    Location:
    Nova Scotia & Virgina
    Thanks dude. :thumb Sage advice.

    Another one on the space blanket....you can [gently] put the injured on the blanket and slide them out of the road....

    And I have used it when it got unexpectedly cold while camping!

    Eric
    #52
  13. AZbiker

    AZbiker Crunkin' with crackers

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2005
    Oddometer:
    6,954
    Location:
    Phoenix, in the Arcadia area
    If a riding partner is the one on the nitro then it might be a good idea for you and him to both have a little nitro on you. That way, if your riding partner is having heart trouble you don't have to search him to find the drugs to administer.

    Administering non-prescribed nitro? No to anyone but blood relatives or my best friend.
    #53
  14. ecubed

    ecubed LFC Cat

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2009
    Oddometer:
    696
    Location:
    Nova Scotia & Virgina
    Roger that.
    #54
  15. DarthJ

    DarthJ Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2011
    Oddometer:
    187
    Location:
    Hell Paso
    Great advice, good kit! Carry most of the same myself but broke it up into two kits to be better able to fit in saddlebags. IFAK for the trauma items and a civvy first aid kit pouch for normal "boo-boos". Need the scissors and light though.
    #55
  16. Grreatdog

    Grreatdog Long timer

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2007
    Oddometer:
    17,191
    Location:
    Annapolis, MD
    I like the Leatherman Micra for my boat and bike first aid kits. I don't like to go wild with a large kit. And that Leatherman is tiny but has functional scissors, tweezers and a pen knife. That is pretty much everything I need in a first aid kit tool. Mine have gotten a workout over the years and have never let me down.
    #56