Enduralast or Omega Charging upgrade revisted

Discussion in 'Airheads' started by Cigars&Scotch, Oct 20, 2007.

  1. Cigars&Scotch

    Cigars&Scotch My eyes are up here

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    Yes I know we have talked about these for a while now. But it's been some time now and I would like to get an update from the guys that have had these systems installed.

    I want to upgrade my system over the winter while I have the PD appart doing the tranny and driveshaft.


    Here is what I see in refference to these 2 systems.

    Enduralast-450 watts $475.00

    Replaces all the stock parts. Whether this is good or bad, I don't really know
    No brushess to wear.
    Regulator and inverter is one unit.
    Said unit mounts out by the battery and is in a cooler enviroment by not being inside the engine.
    Permanent magnet alternator. It could heat saturate and reduce efficiencies.
    1 year warranty

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    Omega system- 400 watts $575.00

    Hot rodded stock parts. So can be replaced with stock parts if needed in emergency, which I will have just removed.
    All parts go in the same locations.
    Known trouble shooting procedure as they are in a stock config.
    Still uses brushes.





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    Ok so lets hear from the guys that have had these systems on there bikes and tell me what you like or dislike about them.
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  2. Jamie

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    This is gonna be my next mod, as soon as I get a little extra dough. I hope some folks chime in on this one. :lurk
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  3. LarryGS

    LarryGS Been here awhile

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    I put the Omega system in my 1990 GS/PD a couple of years ago. I didn't know about the Enduralast at the time.The Omega was simple to install, even for an "electrical neophtyte." The system worked well for a few thousand miles then appeared to be having problems. Several calls to M.E. and a new diode board was on it's way. Re-installed that and it's now been 12K of trouble free riding. Support was great, the parts apppear to be very well made, install was simple. I learned a lot by doing the install and reading the book on the basics of the airhead electrical systems. I run a couple of electrical add-ones and the charging is always very good. Customer service was excellent. I'd do the Omega again.:clap
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  4. snoop

    snoop Sven from Road Rash

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    i plan on doing the enduralast, it seems more simple and reliable. Plus cheaper!
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  5. Gringo

    Gringo simple by nature

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    Ditto to this entire post - almost exactly my experience. Was having trouble after awhile, discovered the diode board was all burnt up,. I called Rick at ME and he sent me a new one for free, and only asked that I send the old one back for him to figure out what went wrong. Bike's been great ever since, no more problems.

    I wonder if there was a bad batch, or a redesign on the diode board? Odd that there would be another case like mine... Rick has always been great with me, in every dealing I've had with him, and his products are always top-notch.

    I might have felt differently about the diode board issue if it'd happened to me when I was in the boonies, but it happened at home and was as minor inconvenience. So overall I still feel the Omega is a real good product, though I might be tempted to try the other option just to get those extra 50 watts. I tend to find a use for every watt I have, am now considering a sidecar on the PD and will want to add some lights to the car.
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  6. Stagehand

    Stagehand Imperfectionist

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    20K on Omega and no problems, at all. (knock wood)

    I might have gone for enduralast had I known more about it at the time. Cheaper, 50 more watts, and less moving parts. Sounds good.
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  7. Cigars&Scotch

    Cigars&Scotch My eyes are up here

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    So we had 2 fried diode boards on the Omega. I realize that they stand behind there products and sent you guys out free replacements, and that is a positive. I wonder why though?

    Did it give the classic fried board signs? Light on when the bike was running all the time.

    The Enduralast does have 50 more watts and is $100 cheaper. I realize that the reg/rectifier is a standard Ducati/Moto Guzzi product. Question is if it goes, can you get a replacement.

    I also still have the issue of heat sat into the magnets. I have had quite a bit of experience with high performance brushless motors. One of the issues is that when the core gets hot, it will start to loose gauss (magnetism). We got away from it by using high temp powdered magnets that were pressure fused at very high temps.

    I would like to here from someone with an Enduralast.
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  8. dfc

    dfc Reluctant Cannonball

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    15k on Omega, no problems.
    I had solid mounts already, saved $20.00

    :clap
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  9. Bigger Al

    Bigger Al Still a stupid tire guy

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    This is Snowbum's site, and he's done a comparison of the two. He helped the Enduralast folks refine their kit. It's a great site for Airhead Tech info.
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  10. opposedcyljunkie

    opposedcyljunkie Heavyweight Boxer

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    I plan to go towards the Enduralast route when I have the extra cash. What attracts me to it is its cost and more importantly, the brushless rotor. I have had 2 rotors die down on me due to shorting and maybe that's what helped me make my decision. I've had other dealings with Rayski and he appears to have very good customer service. YMMV.
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  11. jtwind

    jtwind Wisconsin Airhead

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    I don't need the watts so haven't needed the swap. I did just spend the weekend with two friends that have had the omega on their bikes for 3 years now. No problems at all. I'd guess the diode board problem mentioned above was a problem with the diode board manufactor and not the system design.

    In addition to the pros and cons mentioned above a positive in each camp is the sellers, both Rick and John are way above average to deal with.

    That being said if I was going with a system I'd go with the omega for a couple of reasons, one I like that diagnostics stay the same. I haven't heard of any problems but like the idea that I already know how to figure out a problem. Plus I like the stock appearance and mounting. The enduralast system requires you to mount the rectifier ( I think) out in the wind somewhere. Not a big deal but with most everything else being equal it sways my opinion.

    I won't even mention that I've never heard Ducati and Moto Guzzi electrical parts mentioned in the same paragraph with reliablitly before. Just kidding, sort of.
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  12. Cigars&Scotch

    Cigars&Scotch My eyes are up here

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    Well we know that Ducati has been turning motorcyclist into mechanics since 1937.

    While Moto Guzzi is Strong like tractor, smart like bull.
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  13. goatroper

    goatroper Been here awhile

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    Motorad Elektrik (Omega) has good products and Rick provides superb customer service, however, I chose the Euromotoelectrics Enduralast charging system for my '85 RT. The Omega system seemed to be a tweaked version of the inherently unsatisfactory BMW Bosch design. The argument that heat will degrade the performance of the permanent magnets in the Enduralast system might be true, but has not been evident in my two years / 24 K miles of use. On the other hand, the Omega system had (has?) the rectifier diodes under the front cover and diodes really seem to suffer in that location. I am not an engineer, so make your own choice, but I am in the process of recommissioning a /5 and will install the Enduralast system in that too.

    No matter which system you choose, you will ride more when you have heat, lights and reliable starting in any weather. So don't put it off.
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  14. kixtand

    kixtand Long timer

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    I guess the question I have is why the need for an upgrade at all?? I ride my /5 w/ the stock output year 'round, and have never had any issues w/ lights, starting etc...

    I did, however, replace the stock voltage regulator w/ a SS one from Motorrad, and will also replce the diode board w/ an Omega when the need comes, but that is because these two items are inherently better designs than the original, not because I hope to get more power out of the system.

    What are folks trying to run that requires so much power and necessitates the need for such a costly, and, in my mind, questionable upgrade??

    kix
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  15. goatroper

    goatroper Been here awhile

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    I run a Gerbing's jacket, heated grips and (sometimes) a 55w aux lamp. I also ride year round and with the stock ('85 RT) system, the battery was not always up to the task when temps were in the 20's or 30's. My /5 has never had amps to spare, so it never drove accessories. That you are happy with the stock /5 system might be due to better maintenance on your part or maybe that you accept its limitations. Do you do something special to maintain your charging system?
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  16. kixtand

    kixtand Long timer

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    Nothing special, I just keep an eye on it and look things over from time to time.

    I also don't believe in electric/heated gear, so that is not a concern for me. I use the charging system for just that: charging.
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  17. Cigars&Scotch

    Cigars&Scotch My eyes are up here

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    Well you are right that the charging system should be used for charging. That was then and this is now. You can keep the stock system and maintain it, and it will do exactly what it was designed for.

    Now a days we might be doing things a little different.

    My PD has a HID headlight system which actually reduces my draw on the system by 20 watts or so. It has an LED tail light to also reduce the draw and make that tiny light look more visable. I run a GPS pretty much all the time. It has an MP3 player built in and that drives my helmet speakers. It has a set of Touratech HID driving and regular fog lights. Heated grips and the outlet to drive my heated jacket and pants. Plus up here in the NE we have this thing called traffic. I really do not like watching the red light flicker on and off on my daily commute because I am boderline charging at 1100 rpm's. And that is without any of the said items above.

    All these things draw from what is admittedly the weak point on these bike. They were originally designed to run of the camshaft at twice the rpm or so thats what I have been told. So the system is a compromise.


    I think you can not go wrong with either system here if that is what you need. Be it for the reasons I stated above or what ever issue you might be running against.

    It seems from the thread that a few more people have the Omega installed on there bike and a few would have like to have tried the Enduralast.

    Service and customer support is not an issue so that is a wash in my book.

    Omega uses the standard diagnostic procedure.

    Enduralast has no wear items.

    Omega parts are a direct replacement.

    Enduralast need to be wired into the bike.

    Omega still has the issue of the diode board in a hostile enviroment.

    Enduralast could have heat sat on the magnets( guess thats why there are 2 sets of vanes)

    One is $475 and the other is $575, one is 450 watts and the other is 400 watts respectfully.

    I would like to here from some more Enduralast customers.
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  18. Southpawman

    Southpawman Overpowered by Funk

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    Hey, Mike. I'm leaning toward the Enduralast myself. Bob (aka Snowbum) from the Airheads list has this on his website. A bit on the verbose side, but the guy is very thorough.
    http://bmwmotorcycletech.info/AftrMrktAlt.htm

    P.S. Nice to meet you at the rally, and thanks for brining the keg! . )
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  19. R-dubb

    R-dubb Dubbious Adventurer

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    Excellent summary. I have no direct experience with either. I've thought long and hard about popping for an Enduralast. I would not buy an Omega. Comes down to the rotor. My motor will gladly spin to 8200 rpm. Rotor windings come apart at that speed. Happened to my stocker. The Omega rotor is heavier and generates even more outward force. Maybe it holds up, but Rick did not recommend it for high rev use. I'd be curious if anyone has spun a rotor with the Omega. The brush-less magnet is very attractive by comparison. So is getting rid of the diode board.
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  20. kixtand

    kixtand Long timer

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    Intersesting point on th high RPM problems. I hadn't thought about that, but it makes sense for sure.
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