Enduralast vs Valeo vs Nippondenso for 1972 BMW r75/5

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  1. khale

    khale ride dirty

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    Hello,
    I apologize in advance if this thread already exists, if it does a link to it would be much appreciated.
    I have a 72 r75 with the original Bosch starter. I'm looking to replace my Bosch starter as it is the last weakest link (to my knowledge) in my ignition and charging system. I have the Enduralast charging system and love it, and I have a Ballistic Lithium Ion battery, so I'm getting good juice. My starter works fine after the engine has warmed up, but cold starting, it tends to bog down and drain the battery.
    How do the Enduralast, Valeo, and Nippondenso starters compare? I know you get what you pay for, but I wanted to hear from users who have had good success with any of these starters.
    Thanks
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  2. concours

    concours WFO for 44 years

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    Put a proper battery in it. AGM
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  3. khale

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  5. khale

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    Thanks for the video, good points by creator but I don't think it's stating Lithium Ion batteries are bad or underpowered, it just looks like he's disproving the actual CCA's manufacturers are stamping on their batteries.

    The battery I have is rated for 1000cc or higher engines: http://www.ballisticparts.com/products/batteries/12cell.php
    It's properly sized.

    Do you know anything about the 3 starters that I mentioned?
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    concours WFO for 44 years

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    No. 40 years mechanic skills, but damn little airhead exp.
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  7. wmax351

    wmax351 Been here awhile

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    Quality seems to be in that order. Nippondenso is best. Enduralast vs Valeo are equivalent. They are permanent magnet, gear reduction type and should use a bit less amperage.
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  8. photomd

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    I have both a bosch and a valeo. The Bosch is in my airhead and it's got 120K miles. I've had it the last 21K and I've had no trouble with it. It turns over slower than my valeo, but it always starts in weather 25F on up. My oilhead has the valeo that's known for the magnets coming unglued. After helping someone locally replace his starter, I decided to pull mine, clean it and replace the magnets. The starter is 16 years old and has 54K miles. I pulled it apart, cleaned it and rebuilt it as Anton describes on his site and it seems to be working well. I know they're on two different bikes, but I think both are good starters. I'll also add that I think John @ Euromotoelectrics is an honest guy. I had problems with my R/R on his charging system on my airhead. He helped me trouble shoot it and get the right part very quickly.IMHO, I'd put a bigger battery in and wait until you need to rebuild the starter. If you must replace it, I'd do whatever you feel is best: go cheap if finances dictate it, or go with which ever brand makes you feel warm and fuzzy. :D
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  9. Bulldust

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    I have had 2 Valeo's fail over the past 5 years. Now exclusively use the Nippondenso starters with no problems. I have installed them in 4 of my bikes. They are more expensive, but much cheaper than a Tow Truck.
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  10. Prutser

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    The Nippondenso starter wins imo.
    I have the valeo in most of my bikes and are doing fine as long as you use a battery that's in good shape.
    After some time they start to sound a bit hoarse ! Take them apart clean and lube them and they will do fine again.

    Using the nippon on one bike now. And it too needed a service after some rivercrossings. But the bike turns over the fastest with the nippon and the bike fires up much faster than with the valeo using the same pc680.
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    With a /5 you also have a real kickstarter. So tow truck isn't as big a worry.
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  12. khale

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    Well if you guys know anyone selling a used ND starter, I'm all :ear
    $350 is steep for a starter...
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  13. khale

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    I have a nice, permanently bruised right foot from that damn kicker.
    At least I know my compression is good.:lol3
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  14. Biebs

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    Bosch starter is your best unit have yours rebuilt and it will last another 30 years:freaky

    rebuild cost should be less than $100:deal

    :eek1
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    Biebs, how's the cold start for you? That's really the only reason I'm upgrading. Tired of bruising my right kicker foot on cold starts.
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  16. Wirespokes

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    I have both Valeo and Bosch starters in my airheads. I like them both, but actually prefer the Valeo for many reasons - much much lighter, spins faster, easier to remove/replace and work on, cheaper, and parts are cheap. I've never had magnets come loose on mine, but I have repaired a number of them with that problem. I haven't seen one of the upgraded models with dropped magnets. These things can last a long long time - easily 100K - even with the old style magnet housings.

    I've rebuilt the Bosch starters before and couldn't seem to get them to work when installed. At the time I didn't know about replacing the third bushing, and that may have been why, but it frustrated me so much I replaced it with a Valeo that's worked perfectly since.
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  17. _cy_

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    how much weight is actually saved?

    got a Bosch starter that has worked excellent despite some serious abuse due to LiFePO4 battery tests that's on going.

    visit my LiFePO4 testing (link in sig) thread if anyone needs documented data on how many amps are actually used by a Bosch start on R80G/S in cold/warm conditions.
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    Okay I have a 5 year old PC680 battery - my 74 R75/6 turns over slow when cold with Bosch but with choke on bike starts right up. I also givre the throttle a couple of blips before attemting to start. You may want to get a good starting proceedure for cold starts. My 1974 has a kickstart (last year) but is a weak unit and know to break on the 5sp trans so I avoid using it. My Carbs are in perfect balance this makes a big difference. These bikes are 30 plus years old and technology was a little more basic back then need to have VooDoo to make them work!!!

    You have the older R75 - 4 sp trans??? I would try setting your choke and kicking it through a few times before attempting to engage the eletric start - this is only a cold start problem so only first startup would require this procedure. :freaky
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  19. Wirespokes

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    It's considerable. Working from memory, I think the Bosch is about 10 lbs and the Valeo is more like five or six.
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