Ethanol Gas

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  1. stevie88

    stevie88 That's gotta hurt

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    # A new enzyme being introduced into the ethanol production process will allow a 100 mln gallon ethanol plant to use 1.8 mln bushel less corn to get the same output. Produced by Novozyme, the new enzyme will also boost corn oil extraction 13% and save 8% in energy costs for the plant. Most industries hope to add 1-2% a year to new efficiencies while the ethanol industry is running way ahead of that as new technology is discovered and adapted. This just makes it a little harder for the oil industry to kill.
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  2. khager

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    That's all we need 30% less range, or maybe we could make the fuel tanks 30% larger, because I don't have enough weight up high, I could always use more weight and or less range.

    Actually what I could really use is a CHOICE! Let me the consumer decide if I want to put ethanol in my bike. You like ethanol fine, I don't. Problem is I have no choice! I can even live with you ethanol junkies using my tax dollars to subsidize a product that no one wants, if I had a choice!
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  3. stevie88

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    There are so many errors and false assumptions in your post.
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    It should still be a choice for the consumer to make and not forced upon us using government subsidies. :deal
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  5. stevie88

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    You just made another error. Besides, you do have a choice. Buy the fuel or don't, but there are no subsidies involved in ethanol.

    Now if you want to eliminate 10% of the US motor fuel supply by getting rid of ethanol and pay a considerably higher price at the pump for "pure gas" you are free to persue your misguided notion.
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  6. Steve G.

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    Kevin Cameron of Cycle World Magazine has two articles about ethanol in the latest magazine. This guy is not prone to offering misguided false statements. Ethanol as an additive does not show well with the facts he offers.

    The only winners are the corn lobbyists and corn farmers in the USA. Nobody or nothing else wins using this shit in our fuel.
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  7. stevie88

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    I respect his opinion, but on this he's wrong.
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  8. KilLeR Kawasaki

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    Ethanol is just a way to use the surplus corn and appease the huge factory farm lobby. It takes more oil to grow, fertilize, and transport the corn and ethanol than it can possibly save. Fertilizer is made from oil.

    Ag pollution rivals the mess that are dependency on fossil fuels creates. Please share with us one obvious benefit of using ethanol.

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  9. stevie88

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    Almost everything you said is wrong. Btw, I already have laid out its benefits.
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    The 30%, I was referring to E85. E10, its more like 5%. There are still credits for blending ethanol, and I still dont have a choice, within 100 miles.
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  11. cjack

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    Wouldn't this be a subsidy?

    "The Renewable Fuel Standard mandates that at least 37 percent of the 2011-12 corn crop be converted to ethanol and blended with the gasoline that powers our cars…[As a result] the current price of corn on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange is about $6.50 per bushel—almost triple the pre-mandate level."
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    You could call that an indirect subsidy if you like. You could also call the majority of the military budget and the middle east wars an oil subsidy.:deal

    Keep in mind that ethanol has to be blended and distributed through the channels owned by Exon/Mobil, etc. Big oil has never been in favor of ethanol because it's direct competition for them.

    The pre ethanol price of corn was often below the cost of production, requiring direct subsidy support. You could make a case that the cattle feeder was then being subsidized by the taxpayer. It costs money to produce these crops and one way or the other there is a price to be paid if society wants to maintain an abundant supply.

    Btw, where did that 37% figure come from? To my knowledge there is nothing stating that a certain percentage of the crop must go to ethanol. Even if the percentage were 40%, that doesn't tell the whole story. It ignores the 15% that comes back as high protein distillers grain. That puts 75% of the crop in the traditional market.

    Look, the bottom line is that adverse weather is causing these high prices in commodities. Last years crop was short due to drought. The market gurus were forecasting $4 corn by fall this year, that would be a price below the cost of production for many farmers. It isn't happening due to more adverse weather. This time it's excessive rain that has prevented millions of acres from being planted.
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    Point taken about farming being one of the most risky businesses on the planet.
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    I am not a fan of up to 10% Ethanol gasoline but have been using it in all my gasoline power motors and it has never caused a problem.
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    I'll have to chat with my buddy about your thoughts who's Ducati fuel tank has been replaced twice, and Ducati, who was faced with a class action suit,as a result of ethanol additive damage, and lost.

    Everyone else is wrong, you are right. I get it now. You're a corn farmer. Why else would you defend such a silly mandate of corn ethanol additive. Completely a waste of time. I'm moving on here, your welcome to your stand here, but I don't think anyone is listening to your view. Knock yourself out Mr. Ethanol.
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  16. stevie88

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    I've got a Ducati too, an 08 Monster r4rs Tricolour. It's tank has gotten slightly longer but looks and functions fine. Ducati is at fault for the problem and they are the ones you should direct your ire towards.
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  17. KilLeR Kawasaki

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    Though are reliance on cheap oil has made us lazy (in terms of finding viable energy alternatives) and ecologically irresponsible, are farming practices and their subsequent pollution and emphasis on a corn based diet is just as deleterious. Read "The Omnivore's Dilemma", to get an idea of that.

    Has anyone besides stevie88 (a corn farmer) said one word in defense of ethanol in gasoline?
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  18. stevie88

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    So you want to reduce the fuel supply by 10% and pay at least $1 per gallon more for fuel?
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    It is a net loss where greenhouse gasses are concerned.
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    No it's not.