Euro Licences: Is it Equal?

Discussion in 'Europe' started by RaY YreKa, Jul 17, 2013.

  1. RaY YreKa

    RaY YreKa Palanquins RTW

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    OK, my son is approaching 16, which means I will pay for a 'chicken chaser', 50cc, scooter CBT so he gets a taste/feel for 2-wheels.

    At 17, I can pay for a full 125cc CBT, and at 19 a 47bhp 'direct access' course in the UK.

    But, here's the rub, he is resident in France; he stays with me for Easter and Summer, and alternate December/Jan.

    My experience of French bureaucracy is not good, and I know that registering a UK bike in France is a nightmare.

    So, here's my euro question; if I pay for all his training in the UK, will the French recognise the licence?

    Or shall I just transfer him the money to his French bank account, and cut out all the fun?

    I would much rather be with him, in the UK, riding, even if I have to buy two 125cc bikes to do it.
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  2. GiorgioXT

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    This sums up practically all

    That in bold is the important part
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  3. RaY YreKa

    RaY YreKa Palanquins RTW

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    Thank you mate :freaky

    If I have read your post right, my son will need a provisional licence in each country, but if he passes the A2 test (the one we would aim for, aged 19) that should be valid across Europe, no matter where he takes the test?
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  4. Jan from Finland

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    Nope. It's allways your country of residence which issues your licence. You may take the test elsewhere but they will not issue you a licence. Your country of residence will compare curriculums and deside if additional training is needed. Licence is valid across Europe as a tourist for months. If you take a new residence you have to exchange the licence to that country. You can't have provisional licences. You have just one from your county of residence.

    That's how it goes in the EU. I don't know if the UK and France have additional agreements in place.
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  5. GiorgioXT

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    as said Jan , your son will have to get his licence in his country of residence - then the license e.g. A1 (limited to 125cc <15 kw bikes) will be valid in all europe

    There's lot of talk about, because there are situations - eg. double citizenship Italian/UK where in Italy you could legally obtain an A2 licence at 18 years when in UK are 19, but EU treaties impose both the free movements of people and equal acceptance of other EU countries licenses ...

    Anyway, the bottom line is to get the licence where one is living/using it more .
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  6. RaY YreKa

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    The conversation with his mother may not go well.

    Thanks guys.

    Looks like I'll have to wait until he is 19+ and send him the money for an A2 test in France, even if he claims dual-citizenship at aged 16.
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  8. alicethomas

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    Nobody cares about the citizenship, you might come from Turkey or India as well.
    The driving license must be is issued from the (principal) residence (>= 185 continuous days) authorities.
    No "driving license tourism".
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  9. duffs

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    Ray - not sure if this helps but give the link a go.

    It is perfectly legal to use a European licence in the UK with no restrictions for 3 years of residency, after which you can exchange it for a UK licence without taking any road tests. Otherwise, the UK recognises any EU licence the same as a UK licence.

    Not sure if France is the same, however, with non French EU licences.
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  10. overlandr

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    Interesting. In Australia, its completely different from EU. Apart from tourists, every new arrival must take a full riding test regardless of what license they already have. If they have been riding before, then the only concession is that they are permitted to fastrack through the provisional phase. However, if they fail any part of the test then they must start the whole procedure again with no provisional concessions. Yes we are over governed. :puke1
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  11. duffs

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    But are the drivers better as a result? I'm guessing probably no different than anywhere else... apart from Germany perhaps, they are probably the most consistent of the places I've been.
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    Hopefully. Bear in mind that our intake is from any other country in the world - not only the EU states like you guys. Anyone whom has taken a MC test in Asia (say Indonesia) will be aware how much tests can vary. I have and it lasted 5 minutes and consisted of slow speed bike control on an off road course.
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  13. Kennon

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    Direct access term is only used for when your at the age you can get a full power license it used to be 21 now its 24, 47bhp is the A2 restricted license, European licenses from another country are supposed to be changed for the one of the country after a year legally but I've known enough people who have never been asked to change a polish license to a uk even though they've been in the uk for years. Same with vehicles they can be used on UK plates in a another country for a year as long as you have a GB sign on the license plate as required.
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  14. duffs

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    After 3 years for EU licences and 1 year for non-EU a resident won't be asked to change the licence, but their insurance will be invalid and if they get stopped the police would view them as unlicenced and uninsured... 6 points, minimum £300 fine, mandatory impounding of vehicle and possible loss of licence (once exchanged) and/or imprisonment (for example if drunk and/or caused serious injury/death).
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  15. kristof-lars

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    im getting my motorcycle licence shortly here in canada the licence will be a learner one for 9 months which includes these restrictions:
    -no night time riding
    -no passenger
    -no towing
    -maintain a zero blood alcohol level

    CAA will issue me a international drivers which will state i have a class 6 learners level anyone have any idea what this will mean in france when im living there? im 29 and have had my full licence since i was 15 1/2 no infractions i will only be in france for a year maximum and the learners restrictions are as above, would it simply translate? would i have to adhere to a learner restrictions in france? if so what are they?

    i really want to get my licence here as it would only cost me 240 with the rebate for taking the longer course my sister said its much more of a process over there costing over 1000 euros and much more classes etc i may be splitting hairs here and im sure it would be up to the officer if he wanted to give me a ticket or just not bother but if i had some sort of documentation saying my licence was equal would it help having it before hand and just hand it over with all my other information if i was questioned?
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    wow that is reall restrictive, on a CBT in the UK you can't have a pillion never knew if you could or couldn't tow anything not sure I would of wanted to tow anything with a 50cc scooter or a peaky supermoto, the alcohol thing is just common sense but no riding at night, isn't it safer at night less vehicles about, used to ride from maybe 10pm till 5am in the morning on random trips to the seaside at night with mates because we were bored 16/17 year olds.
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  17. duffs

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    With CBT it's max 125cc and 11kW + no pillion + no trailer + no motorway... (reference)

    But yeah Canada has some mad graduated licensing, I lived there for nearly 20 years and slipped in under the radar before all that came into place... but got royally screwed when moving back to the UK - there is a licence exchange programme but Canadian licences come with an automatic-only restriction when converted to UK so I had to do my driving test here on a manual, plus my theory and riding tests for motorcycle... in the end nearly £1000, and that was passing all the tests first try.
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  18. duffs

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    Non-EU learner licences are not legal in the EU. If you got stopped, you would be done for no licence, no insurance and get to pay for towing/impounding of your vehicle. Plus, in France, more than likely arrested (they are very strict with licensing and insurance). As a guide, in the UK the fine for no licence is max £5,000 + max 6 months in prison, and the fine for no insurance is max £2,500 and min 6 months disqualification - France will likely be even more severe. Best to pass your test(s) in Canada before riding here or you'll start from nought if you re-apply in the EU.

    Not sure what happens with restrictions due to graduated licensing however, probably one for the French equivalent of our DVLA. However, since licensing is, for the most part, harmonised now in the EU, it would be a fairly safe bet to assume the restrictions would be similar or the same as the UK's (ie you would probably fall into category A2). See this page for info.
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  19. Kennon

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    forgot about the motorway thing no motorways apart from the A1M when I was at college then just did my license and forgot about that part the 15bhp thing though how many people flauted that rule my SM was rated at 24bhp when you unplugged the a resistor in the CDI.
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    yerah i signed up this morning for the motorcycle course should have my licence bye oct 20th and yes i did some research i too think the A2 is what id be under but i have my sister in france calling to see whats up, guess we will see in a little bit im fine with restrictions but really didnt want to be stuck with a bike under 34hp my bike wont be over a 650cc enduro style for sure or id just use my brother in laws bike for a bit a 660 ktm super moto :)
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