Euro Licences: Is it Equal?

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  1. duffs

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    You could always fast track to a full A licence using France's equivalent to the DAS... btw France has a cap of 74kW/100hp for bikes...
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  2. kristof-lars

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    100hp way more than id need i just wanted to be able to buy the bike i want one id have for a while and leave it there with my in laws if and when i leave although a ktm 990 adv is 115hp that would be an ideal bike and its just over is it rear wheel hp or off the engine? is it factory spec or can you get a dyno sheet?
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  3. duffs

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    Any French reg bike you buy there will be restricted from the factory... however if you buy a bike abroad (with more than 100hp) and import it, things can get very expensive.

    Oddly on BMW's french website most of their high powered models are neutered to 107hp (taking advantage of a tolerance loophole presumably), apart from the HP4 which is full power. Not sure how they get around the regulation, maybe the HP4 is sold for track use only...

    Loutre can you comment?
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    In Victoria, you go to Vicroads if you require a Victorian licence. Fill out the form, pay a couple of hundre $ for a new photocard licence, and all licence categories are transferred except for professional licence caregories (heavy goods truck and bus).

    There is no additional test for a licence holder with a motorcycle category. Your new victorian licence just gets a "R" appended to it, signifying "Rider".


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  5. Loutre

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    Here I am sorry for keeping it short but till next week I only have my phone to answer.. Well in france each bike you buy is restricted to 100hp but since that is not alxays possible they sometimes can push it to 107 like bmw does. Anyway: some people have a full power bike here but in their papers they are listed as 100hp bikes. Since there is no check it's fine until you have an accident and insurance might check (they only do it on some bikes like hayabusa). When you buy it somewhere else ie full power you certanly need a paper from a local mechanic that says that you have down poweres it. The new A2 licence is kibda odd since it depends where you passed it in europe. In france until you are 24 you are restricted to 48hp like everywhere else in europe but then you need to pass thr licence again to get full hp.. Not the case in germany where you pass dire tly to full hp. Wunderlich offers a kit to downpower every bmw to 48hp. I've met a german A2 who bought as his first bike a r1200s with that kit and it was fine.
    if you buy a bike in an other country make sure that it is 6 month old -at least- otherwise due to a european convention you'll need to pay extra tax to import it.

    Hope this helped otherwise just scream ;-)
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  6. Loutre

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    I think you'll be able to get a dyno kit but I'll need to ask my mechanic for that and I wont be home before next week
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    very helpful my brother in laws friend is a bike mechanic so i should be able to get any paperwork from him needed but in all reality i wont have a bike over 100hp for a while if ever like i said the ktm 990 ADV would be my ideal bike but looking at triumph tiger Xc aswell but those bikes are beyond my skill range at the moment, the real question in my licence i will have my tiered licence when i leave canada and will have a interantional licence that will just translate whats on mine which will be a class 6 with learners restrictions just not sure how that will go over there if they will recognize it or if the restrictions will transfer over seas? like i said the closest equavalent would be an A2 i mean i can just get that when im over there but the extra cost and time is a waste but if need be i will do it anyone know the total cost and time to do the A2 direct licence in france?

    thanks
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  8. Loutre

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    I know that a friends american licence wasnt conversible and he needed to pass the licence again. That was before all that new licence fuzz. If you get the international licence than you could maybe rent a bike - that is what they are for(?)-
    anyhow: passing the licence here will cost you about 550e and about two month time. If you want to take that licence than you'll meed to pass the theoretical exam first about another 150e (some driving schools won't charge you if you take after that the pratical lessons at their place. They are rare.. Anyway the th-exam is 40 questions with multiple answers, if you have nore than 5 mistakes than you are out and need to pay 90e to pass it again. Normaly you can't begin to take driving lessons before having this exam but depending of the person in charge you cam bend that rule..
    anyway don't forget that many people apply to these tests and often you'll need about 2weeks up to a month time before getting a place for an exam. The inscription time needs one month since your documents will need to go to a certain administration and in france they're not known to be the fastest. All in all you'll need about 3 months (if you get enough lessons and a place ib a exam)
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  9. duffs

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    Really sorry I completely missed an obvious thing here... Canada has an agreement for licence exchange with the UK only due to the commonwealth... I don't think you can exchange directly for a french licence... If you can secure a UK address temporarily you should be able to do it here however but best to do a bit of reading/research beforehand to find out if that is legal...

    Once you have a UK licence you can exchange for any other EU licence provided you are a resident of that country.
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    ill see i got my sister looking into it and ill be over there for a year so at some point i should probably get my licence switched over just was wondering about the initial part of me getting there i wont have a car but i have bikes available to me. i have lots of time to figure it out and its not going to cost me much here to get my cdn one so im just going to do it and have it for when i return and i also heard once you get your licence in france its forever you dont have to renew it like here? if thats the case ill just get mine for there as ill be back there through out my life if i dont end up staying there after my visa is up
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  11. duffs

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    If it's the same as the UK the licence doesn't get renewed until you're 70 or 75 years old, but the photocard needs to be updated every 10 years.
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    Yep your licence here is for life except the bus and lorry driving licence which needs to be renewed every 5 years through out a medical exam.. Well that being said the new european licence after january 19th of this year need to be renewed every 15 years through a medical exam. So make sure to stop by every now and then
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    Glad the thread had some legs.

    I guess my confusion is why Euro-wide licencing laws didn't mean a Euro-wide set of rules for crossing the border, since the whole EU ethos is the free movement of trade and peoples.

    Anyway, it's looks like the simplest solution to my original problem/goal is to pay for my son to do the A2 licence in France when he is 19, and then hopefully hire an A2 compliant bike for him to ride when he is with me in the UK.

    Much less fun, much less father/son bonding, later biking fun than I would like, but I guess that's what we get for being a true Euro/dual-heritage family..
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  14. Dr LC8

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    Mi full EU (Italian) drive licence is fully recon here in UK. As UK and France are part of the EU it shouldn't be a problem at all. What it might happen is that if he is resident in France he might have to commute his licence into a French one at one stage.

    I hope this help,

    Nic
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  15. RaY YreKa

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    I rang my local training centre and they said just send off for a provisional licence at 16/17 and book a CBT.

    I contacted MAG via Facebook and they said France doesn't have a CBT equivalent, so maybe he can ride 125cc here after all :ear.

    If that's so, he can get a taster with me and then do his A2 in France if he wants to. That's how I hope it pans out.
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