Europe fuel prices ?

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  1. Royalbeemer

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    In my local paper this morning a list of prices in $US dollars per gallon
    Oslo $9.33
    Rome $ 8.51
    Copenhague $8.48
    Monte Carlo $8.46
    London $8.12
    Paris $8.06
    Berlin $7.76
    New York $3.99
    Montreal $5.09
    Gives you an idea of prices in Europe compared to US prices
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  2. teizms

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    that is some seriously useful info (but also scary)
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  3. zandesiro

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    Greece 1.70-1.80Euro.....:cry
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  5. Witold

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    There are no gigantic price spikes between countries, and even if there were, how much research and planning do you realistically plan to do to occasionally save $5? :D

    Suffice to say, everything is more expensive in EU. You can look 1 Euro and 1 Pound and compare it to 1 dollar in buying power as a quick calculation - or worse. (So a $10 item will cost 10 euro or 10 pounds in EU)

    Exception will be Nordic countries, Switzerland, and a few other spots where things are way more expensive.
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  6. jetjackson

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    We just went from France to Italy. France I filled up for 1.63/L compared to in Italy where I got stung for 1.93 at one place. So I can give it to you first hand from experience...

    So by filling up in France or some places that is cheaper I think you may be able to save 10 to 20 Euro across your whole trip. TBH rom my experience you are going to be better off putting your planning time into finding cheap places in Europe to stay - this is going to be a lot harder. Camping can even be expensive - I paid 16 euro for a pitch one night with no other choice - another night 10 euro for a pitch. Stealth camping can be hard to find and needs planning, buying food and finding location etc. Anyway, I am going off on a tangent - you will save money by researching your accommodation - IMO you could save a few hundred euros through researching this, rather than spending that time trying to save 10-20 euros on Fuel.

    The other issue you will find is that your tank size will limit your ability to buy in bulk and save at the cheaper fuel stations. Half the time I saw cheap fuel I had 75% full tank and so filling was pointless. Plus to compound this issue a lot of places are either prepaid fuel, or pay in the form of a note into a machine and then fill, only 2-3 times out of 10 did I stop at a place where I could fill up the tank and then pay in the store. The language barrier also compounds things - explaining that you want the tank full is harder and sometimes you just have to put a 20 euro note in front of the attendant and the whole 'money works' principles kicks in. So if you put 20 euro in the machine and your tank only takes 15 euro worth - no change, hard luck.
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  7. jetjackson

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    OH another thing is that if you are not already from Europe you may not realise, I didn't... but all the motorways here have tolls. Not like I am used to back home either, where you might go for 200k and pay $2 for the please. It cost me 20 euro yesterday to do 200k's on the Italian motorway. That same 200k trip that took 1 hour 40 minutes took 5 hours on the 'no tolls' route that we took on the way down.

    This really eats into your planning as what might seem like a 5 day trip with motorways becomes a 10 day trip... the travel time literally doubles when you take out the motorways... be sure to take this into account. I paid 50 euro to go from Paris-Avignon (600k's) when I didn't have a choice. Having said all that, motorways are dull and you won't want to spend much time on them anyway unless you are trying to get somewhere in a short period of time.
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  8. Bell driver

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    Not every country in Europe has toll charges, but that information is easily available on the net and can be planned for accordingly.
    Route planning can be assisted by a GPS, for example Tomtom, it can be told to avoid toll roads as well as highways.

    I've not encountered your problems in France, Italy, Slovenia, Austria, Switzerland or whereever. You can always pay in the shop or, if the station is automated, by credit card.
    A GPS also tells you where the gas stations are and a smartphone will tell you which one is the cheapest.

    Planning can be simple.

    Edit: http://www.theaa.com/allaboutcars/overseas/european_tolls_select.jsp
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  9. alicethomas

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    Have you really been to Europe?
    From the Alps up to the North Cape there are virtually no motorways with toll (except the huge bridges over the belts in DK and between DK and S and of course several famous private race tracks like the "Nordschleife"). You neither pay in L, B and NL, PL etc.
    Even F and A have toll free sections on their highways.
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  10. jetjackson

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    Sorry, not all motorways have tolls - but if you check the AA site linked you will see Spain/France/Italy all have a decent amount of tolls - i.e. if you want to cross the country fast then you are going to pay for it. These are large countries I would assume most coming to Europe would include in their Itinerary. This could hit your budget if not planned for - I had no idea it would cost that much, coming from a country with no tolls on the majority of motorways (and when we have tolls they are a couple of dollars) - you can't plan for everything or you will never leave the house - if someone had mentioned tolls I would have looked into it and included it in my budget. As they say, you don't know what you don't know.

    Yes, some parts are toll free and you can make up a bit of time on those, but for the most part for fast travel it was tolled motorways.

    As I mentioned travel time doubles when you take out motorways - we rode Nice - Genoa on the coast with the motorways turned off - this took 5 and a half hours - the GPS said it would take 4 but I did not take into account the traffic that you will get along the coast - and we were travelling a week and a half ago in the low season - not summer. So add an extra hour through summer. That same ride on the way back on the motorway cost 20 Euro and took 1 hour 40 minutes.

    GPS not always reliable - I almost ran out of fuel yesterday riding to Digne from Nice through the mountains as 3 of the fuel stops in my GPS were not open any more, just rusted out old stations that are closed (my tip though is that you should look for a brand name 'chain' fuel stop in the GPS - more reliable). You can use a smart phone - although roaming internet from what I have seen can be expensive. In both France and Italy I had the issue with not being able to pay in the shop or the attendant at the pump only taking prepayment - having said that, you may have been able to pay to get it filled in those instances but the language barrier made it difficult. All in all I think that if I was looking to save money - spending time researching cheap accommodation would be more fruitful. Instead we spent the time researching this each morning for 30-45 minutes to stay within our budget when we could have been out seeing sites - I would have rather been doing that research when I was stuck behind a pc in a cubicle back in Australia.

    Sorry to speak in absolutes. It would seem Germany does not have tolls - which makes it a very attractive destination for adventure riders :D
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  11. RTLover

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    France is a bit of a problem child when it comes to paying by credit/debit cards. Most automates don't accept cards other than French ones. If there is an attendant, no problem, but most stations outside urban areas are unmanned at night. Those on the autoroutes are 24/7.
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  12. jetjackson

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    I paid with card at Carrefour and they put a 120 Euro security on my card. This could effect someone if they say filled up 3 times to find out that they have 360 euro security placed on their card (if they were running their card close to the limit). It takes 3-4 days before they clear the money back to your card and only charge you for the fuel that you took. I think all 24 hour Carrefour stations do this.
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  13. RTLover

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    Just a few observations of your info.

    The pre-payment machines are rare to non-existent in France. Italy does have many of them, but it isn't necessary to feed it a 20 euro note, they take 5s, 10s, and coins.

    There is no language barrier between a motorist and an attendant. Hand signs get the job done. If you want it filled, raise your palm horizontally to about your neck height. If you want to get X euros of fuel, use your fingers.

    GPS will lead you astray-use it as a guide, not as an absolute. Remember that the data is at least a year old when you buy the thing. Those who live by the GPS sometimes will literally die by it.

    If you paid 50 euros for a bike ride from Paris to Avignon, you overpaid by about 20 euros. Yes, autoroute tolls are high, but what you get in return is often well worth it. They are very safe, in excellent nick, have frequent and reliable services areas, open 24/7/365. What you pay in tolls can be partially recovered in better mileage, unless you run at the limit. A steady 100 on the autoroute is way better than stop and go at 80 on the national or departmental roads. I rarely ride the autoroutes unless there is a compelling reason. Easy fix is to not include them in your planning whenever possible. If your goal is to cover lots of kms, then use them but don't knock them for what they are. If it weren't for autoroutes, imagine what the traffic situation would be like.
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  14. John933

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    Getting petrol in Europe is dead easy. Just wait a while. And when some one turns up. Offer him/her the money, usually 20 euros and ask or hand sign's to fill the bike up with there card. So far no one has turned down the offer of a few extra ready cash to pop in there pocket. Work's every time.
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    Price today in Switzerland:

    95 was 1.79 Swiss Francs :D
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  16. WIBO

    WIBO Will it buff out?

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    €1.629/ltr this date,for petrol,in South West France.
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  17. Donmanolo

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    That's cheap...! :(::muutt

    Italy today : €1.87 /L

    Slovenia (5 minutes away) : €1.49/l
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  18. alicethomas

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    Yesterday in D-68199: 1.41€/l. But that's "E35", about the maximum Ethanol concentration for unmodified carburetor engines.
    On the other extreme today 1.88€/l for premium pure fossil fuel.
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  19. babilon

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    almost the same price but different currency:freaky
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  20. fluff34567

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    then you are in a very cheap place.

    95 is 1.86 around basel and zurich
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