European Bike Week Faaker See 2012

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  1. hadye

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    Hi all,

    This is my first thread here as probably this is the first adventure ride I am going on & I am really excited. I am Egyptian & living in Kuwait. My bike is Night Rod Special from HD 2008. Me & my group are currently preparing for an adventure ride starting from UK where we will ship our bike, hitting down to Folkestone & taking the Eurotunnel to Calais, France. We are thinking of going through Belgium to Frankfurt then hitting south for Faker See where we are going to spend 3 nights & then hit for Venice in Italy. From there we are thinking of having a ride through Alps in Switzerland & entering France back to Calais from where we came.

    This is the story in short, which we allocated 2 weeks for doing this. We are a group of 14 bikes & 16 passenger. I hope that I can benefit from your experience in making this the trip of our lives. Not interested so much in big cities but of course scenery is what we are missing here in Kuwait. We are all experienced riders that need challenging twisties and breath taking scenes.

    I am waiting for your recommendations

    Thanks in advance

    Hadye
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  2. hadye

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    the secret behind NO response is HD?
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  3. alicethomas

    alicethomas Been here awhile

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    Roßfeld-Höhenringstrasse (#999), 1000m above the valley and the mountains even 1000m higher, very near the usual highway to the Faaker See:
    http://maps.google.de/maps?saddr=calais&daddr=Faaker+See,+%C3%96sterreich&hl=de&ie=UTF8&ll=47.629884,13.086777&spn=0.107125,0.16222&sll=51.151786,10.415039&sspn=25.629107,41.52832&geocode=FXp0CQMdflwcAClj4_HXdT_cRzH0edKM4Nm-rA%3BFRu-xgIdRILUAClttdyEP4B6RzHXeeHsOb8uag&oq=faaker+s&t=h&mra=ls&z=13
    Website: http://www.rossfeldpanoramastrasse.de/
    Not very expensive and still acceptable during standard weather.

    A slight detour to the famous Großglockner-Hochalpenstrasse (#107):
    http://maps.google.de/maps?saddr=ca...4B6RzHXeeHsOb8uag&oq=faaker+s&t=h&mra=ls&z=10
    Website: http://www.grossglockner.at/
    Very expensive and you should have very good weather to enjoy the scenery (top road altitude 2571m, often foggy).

    There are some lovely landscapes in the lowlands too, but imho nothing compares to the stunning mountains with their glaciers.

    On your way back you can choose south or north side of the Alps according to the actual weather. It's often raining on one side and blue sky on the other.
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  4. hadye

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    Thanks for your posts, it is really helpful. But i found trouble in putting some of them in GPS may be because I am not familiar with names.

    I will be staying in this hotel :
    Hotel Drauhof, Fröger Weg 8, 9232 Rosegg, Österreich, & from there will go for these near rides around Faaker See

    Thanks again
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  5. hadye

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    A point that worry me, is the weather. What temperature range should we expect from September 1st till 15th? I know that weather cannot be expected nor rain, my wife has a low threshold for any "cold" feeling, should I get ready with some more than usual riding gear. I expect that we will ride on some elevated areas like in Austria or Switzerland

    Need advise from riders living in these areas

    Thanks
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  6. alicethomas

    alicethomas Been here awhile

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    In September you may experience a "hot" +30°C summer (hot for locals) or +5°C (and to the extreme snow!) even in the plains.
    In the mountains the weather will be more extreme. Bright sun shining through thin atmosphere and sub-zero temperatures every night.
    And any low-pressure area might bring snow.
    This is a common September day (01.09.2010) at 2180m altitude after a low and just reopened road (after avalanches):
    [​IMG]
    Riding the Großglockner-Hochalpenstrasse you will see snow and glaciers. And you can touch them, if you want.
    But that's exactly why you are going into the mountains, isn't it!?
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  7. hadye

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    So a heated gear is a must for my wife. That's what I am thinking, but this shall be during our stay in Faaker See for the bike show. We will have two or three rides through the mountain. Other than that, I was asking about the temperature ranges that I would expect passing through Belgium France Germany & Italy
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    Nice picture by the way
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    Maybe can I help you a little bit. I am not going to put you GPS routes or details, you can search this from internet, hope you have a free time to do this :D
    If you end point is Faaker See, here are my suggestions. I have been every year on this event since 2009, so 3 days are more then enought to see all. My plan is always that we (me and my colegues) are doing some tours in the morning and afternoon and then hit Faaker See events in the evening up to deep night.
    Last year (2011) we were situated here:
    http://www.fewo-schiller.at/fewoschiller2011/
    Very nice, quiet place with place for barbecue and about 10 km from HD event (so you need maybe 10 up to 15 minutes to reach lake). Price was about 20-25 EUR per night (without breakfast). I am not sure are you looking cheap are expensive places? Always you can find a +100 EUR five star hotel :D
    Otherwise you can put tent on same of camping places near Fakeer see.
    Places to visit:
    My suggestion (must see places) are for sure Apls Passes. Here you can find list of passes
    http://www.alpineroads.com/
    There are so many passes, but closest to Fakeer lake are:
    Vrsic pass (in Slowenia)
    Würzenpass (Slowenia/Austria border)

    About wheather
    As alicethomas already write, in September temperature can be +30°C and you can expect maybe some rains. I usually wear leather suit which is I think more that enought for this ride.
    If you need more information just send me PM.
    Have a nice are safe ride!
    Ivica
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  10. hadye

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    Thank you for your help & your links my friend, at first we thought of spending 3 days at Faaker See & then hit for Croatia & Dubrovnik but we found that it will be a long way & will make our schedule tight so we preferred to spend the 5 days there. We have the same plan as you said on having different rides in the morning & afternoon & then go for night life in Faaker See.

    Our hotel is situated on the other side in Rossegg area, & about the same budget. Thanks for your suggestions. I will definitely look in Alpine roads. It has alot of interesting passes. I will check the heights & check what we shall need as riding gear accordingly

    We are a group of 16 bikes so we will have to settle on our routes or I will skip them & hit to these magnificent sceneries with my wife :freaky

    Thanks again, if you remember any thing don't forget about me.
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  11. alicethomas

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    I don't think so. We may use heated gear when driving on snow mobiles to the poles. Much too expensive for common motorcycling.
    Use several (!) layers of clothing and wind protection (rainsuit may do too!) and take a good thermos jug with hot tea.
    You won't experience double-digit subzero temperatures - as we do every winter - and ride all day as long as petrol stays liquid.:evil
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  12. hadye

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    I am sure I will do :rofl
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  13. RTLover

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    With a big group, you'll probably not ride great distances each day so I'd recommend you not try to go further south than the Alps, which will already be a long hike from the UK.

    Alicethomas is spot on. September is the beginning of the changeover from summer to fall so expect some significant variations of temperature. That said, my first ride in the Alps was in September so I wore my rainproof gear and the temperatures never went below 25, even at altitude!

    I know that more and more riders depend on their GPS, but in my opinion you're better off with good maps in your situation. That way, you can just look at the map and chose a destination. GPS isn't good at determining which roads are the best, but you can once you get on them.

    Just a tiny correction on your English, which is excellent, BTW. You use the word 'hit' where I think you probably mean 'head' as in 'we'll head toward the Alps'. :D
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  14. hadye

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    definitely I agree with on this, well our plan for now is to try to reach Mannheim, Germany in the first day which is more than 700 Km, between me & you I find it very long distance especially after a flying trip from Kuwait to London. We have still time to discuss with our Road captain & the safety officers & see what decision to settle on.

    For me, it wouldn't be a problem but I noticed that there is a hell of a difference between my wife's threshold & mine. Our last trip she was extremely cold & for me the weather was chilly putting in mind that I don't have a windshield on my bike (but I will install one for this trip). As said I was thinking of using multiple layers especially base & thermal ones because frankly, don't want anything to spoil this trip

    That was put into our consideration, we are planing our trip depending on paper maps & then designing our route & installing it on GPS rather than following the routes suggested by GPS directly.

    Thanks for both the compliment & the correction, am Egyptian so English is my second language & you are right , going back & looking on my post , it looks silly :lol3

    Keep these suggestions coming , I really benefit from expert guys like you
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    Thanks for the suggestions, we use safety officer as alternative to Sweeper of a convoy when the group is more than 5. it is for the safety of the group when they exceed 5 stays at the tail & in connection by CB with the road captain at the start
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    Those are good plans. You should be aware than some countries in the EU are more 'accommodating' than others when it comes to group rides. Four or five is a good number in order to keep a low profile and limit the exposure to the police. What they don't like to see is a string of bikes a kilometer long with no breaks. Hi-viz is not required in France as it is in the UK but makes sense if you're a group. With the volume of truck traffic on the some roads, passing can be a real challenge if you're trying to keep the group together. Just a few random thoughts.
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  18. alicethomas

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    Traffic is dense and your group will get split on several occasions.
    But no literate is really lost if he has a photocopy of your route with the (intermediate) destinations marked.
    There are a lot of sign posts to the near villages and larger towns and even every street is labelled. And everyone speaks English (though not in France).
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    Well , by coincidence or may be due to the marketing effort of Apple, all of us have iPhones so we purchased iGO as navigation GPS, assigned the route & shall be downloaded on all out phones.

    Also out of the 16 bikes about 14 have CBs on their bike so communication & splitting & regrouping shall be much easier (I hope)
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  20. Eldezento

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    if you are looking for a nice halfday-trip starting at Faaker See: go to Mount Mangart in Slovenija. (You can see the mountain´s top from Faaker See). It is a single trail tarmac road going up to 2000m alt. You need the best weather for this trip, and the alpine surrounding and outlook is worth to "climb" up.
    I spend part of my holidays at Ossiacher See near Villach every year and do this trip many times. for further info look at http://alpenrouten.de/Klanska-Skrbi...a-Lahnscharte-Mangartstrasse-EP_point585.html or send pm

    good luck,
    Peter
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