EWS Immobilizer antenna threadfest

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by CarbonCat, Apr 8, 2006.

  1. Poolside

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    "Ivan Blackman, the manager of the Vehicle Information and Identification Program for the NICB [National Insurance Crime Bureau], says that insiders are gradually getting over their dogmatic belief in the invincibility of transponder systems. “Companies are slowly realizing that the cars can be stolen,” Blackman says."

    I went to see Montes at his custom motor-cycle shop about a half hour south of San Francisco and asked him how someone could have stolen my car. He just laughed. “If I want to take your Civic, I’ll do it in 10 seconds,” he said. Then he confirmed Hyser’s story. The mythical Honda override exists: It’s a series of presses and pulls of the emergency brake. Each car, it seems, has a unique override code, which correlates to the VIN.

    “You want to get yours?” Montes asked.

    Sure, I said.

    He called an acquaintance who worked at a Honda dealership. I listened, awestruck, as Montes fed the guy a barely credible story about a cousin who had dropped his keys down a sewer. The dealership employee was at home but evidently could access the Honda database online. I gave Honky’s VIN to Montes, who passed it along to his friend. We soon had the prescribed sequence of pulls, which I scribbled down in my notebook.

    I walked outside and approached [my car]. The door lock would have been easy – a thief would have used a jiggle key, and a stranded motorist would have had a locksmith cut a fresh one. I just wrapped the grip of my key in tinfoil to jam the transponder. The key still fit, but it no longer started the car.

    Then I grabbed the emergency brake handle between the front seats and performed the specific series of pumps, interspersed with rotations of the ignition between the On and Start positions. After my second attempt, [my car's] hybrid engine awoke with its customary whisper.

    I had just jacked my own car.


    Nice link xlcr.

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  2. Poolside

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    <BR>Here are some federal regulation references for Immobilizer type devices:

    Repost from 400 posts ago: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5872189&postcount=736


    Part 541: http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text...2.3.17&idno=49
    Part 543: http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text...2.3.19&idno=49


    Code of Federal Regulations (CFR)
    Title 49: Transportation
    PART 541&#8212;FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT PREVENTION STANDARD
    PART 543&#8212;EXEMPTION FROM VEHICLE THEFT PREVENTION STANDARD

    § 543.6 Petition: Specific content requirements.

    (a)(3)(ii) Attract attention to the efforts of an unauthorized person to enter or move a vehicle by means other than a key,

    (a)(3)(iii) Prevent defeating or circumventing the device by an unauthorized person attempting to enter a vehicle by means other than a key,

    (a)(3)(iv) Prevent the operation of a vehicle which an unauthorized person has entered using means other than a key, and . . .

    - - - - - -

    Read between the lines above, and look for the words "authorized person". The immobilizer system can be 'switched off' by an authorized person. The vehicle owner is an authorized person, as is a dealer tech.

    The factory race bikes ran EWS to maintain the premise that the immobilizer cannot be switched off.

    The premise doesn't require anyone at the race team or dealer level to know about it. The techs readily believe most any myth and superstition that they are told. And highly defend their beliefs.



    A 2007 Federal Register announcement of a recent petition for exemption from BMW:
    http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2007/06-9959.htm


    The Petition for Exemption that a company must file, pursuant to CFR 19 Part 543, is a public record.

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  3. motoreiter

    motoreiter Long timer

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    Hasn't the problem in a few instances been a bad key, rather than a bad ring? At least some people have had success if they switch keys, although maybe it was just the ring acting up. Frankly not sure how a key could "go bad" unless it got mangled somehow.
  4. xlcr

    xlcr Stop being a dick, dick.

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    If they meet 541, they don't need the exemption. It was the manufacturer's decision to seek the exemption.

    How does the BMW " Attract attention to the efforts of an unauthorized person to enter or move a vehicle by means other than a key"? This was clearly meant to mean flashing lights and blaring horns or sirens, not a choreographed dancing alphabet spelling out "SCREW YOU" on the dash. Does the exemption require just "one of the above"?


    Here's the link from the federal site for BMW's X3 petition. Your link was too long for my browser.
  5. tpresten

    tpresten RideUmAll

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    I think you guys are all just trying to scare people away from buying the best riding motorcycle in the world for long distance and adventure travel. I bought my 2008 a few weeks ago and have already done 300+ miles with only one Final Drive being needed so far. EWS is not even a safety issue unless your motorcycle will not start in the dark in a bad section of town. Focus on the bigger picture- Splines, Final Drives, and centerstand bolts shearing off. Drink the Kool-Aid and ride my friends. :lol3

    This is my 3rd GS by the way. First one was a 2003 R1150GSA that I put 36,000 miles on and only needed a head gasket, front brake caliper, a few tail lights, and some fuel fittings that spewed gas all over my transmission and turned it yellow. Second one was a 2005 R1200GS and I drove it 34,600 miles and all it needed was a Final Drive, transmission seals, slave cylinder, and centerstand pivot bolts. I drove it to Alaska, Mexico, and everything in between and the EWS never reared its ugly message.

    I will be driving this 2008 ADV to Prudhoe in 2009, God willing, and if I keep reading this thread between now and then I will carry the spare antenna. I like the idea of buying a community one that can be next-day-aired to anyone stranded.
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  7. klrobins

    klrobins Been here awhile

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    Got an email yesterday that my bike is fixed!!! :clap :clap :clap :clap

    Apparently they replaced the antenna ring, no big surprise there. The dealership said they stock two or three of these parts on site because of the "frequency" at which they see this failure... thats their words not mine.

    Anyway, hopefully that is the last I'll see of that problem.

    K
  8. jpalamar

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    I purchased my ring about a year ago/March 2007 in anticipation of a 4000 mile trip on my K12GT, concerned that should I have had the failure, well, at least I wouldn't have to 'wait for parts'. BTW, trip came and went, no failure. At that time the dealer WAS NOT stocking these rings as failures were only 2-3 (their words). Since then, I had the failure on my '07 ADV with about 1500 miles (the failure was in late January 2008 I believe, after a few minutes bike started). I took the bike in for service and the ring was replaced along with removing the security screws, for a quick and easy in the field fix, should one occur.

    The main point of this reply is that BMW Daytona does indeed NOW STOCK THESE RINGS! And, it appears from the posts that most dealerships are stocking these parts, which while not any definitive statistical data point, it does imply that failures are much more than a rare occasion.

    BTW, I would feel comfortable doing another 4000 mile+ trip with a BMW, any model. At least from my [jaded/limited] perspective the bike(s) is/are unequivocally the finest available.
  9. Duane1969

    Duane1969 Been here awhile

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    I am taking a trip the end of next month (May) to Nova Scotia and Just to be on the safe side, I ordered and just rec. my extra / spare ring for insurance.

    I looked in the FAQ section and saw a picture of one temp. installed (zip tied) next to the failed one on the bike. Evidently, a temp. fix out on the trail to get home. But I was wondering, is there an illustration of a "how to" on the replacement of this part.

    From looking at it, there appears to be 2 small screw that remove a protective cover over the ring and then it looks like you unplug it and it just pops out with a screwdriver or something. Is this correct??? I would just want to be prepared to do the swap if need be.

    My bike is an 08' GSA.

    Thanks,

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  10. buduski

    buduski Been here awhile

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    It seems to me that with so many dealerships now reportedly stocking replacement antennas, I can't really see the need to buy one unless you plan on being out in the extreme sticks! I have about 4500 miles on my 07 GSA with no problems so far. Maybe I'm living in a fantasy world, but I just don't worry about it.
  11. jpalamar

    jpalamar Long timer

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    Peace of mind and inconvenience, especially for people that don't have unlimited time for rides/vacations, etc. Seems to me that $100 + pretty cheap vacation insurance. But than again, just my opinion!
  12. Wallowa

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    Option #1: Find a tow truck to bring you to a dealer that may or may not be open or within 200 miles or have the antenna in stock.

    Option #2: Unplug the 'faulty' [who the hell knows if they are faulty] antenna and plug in the back-up antenna and ride home or to nearest dealer or to a dealer that has the antenna or to a motel to get out of the rain...
  13. jpalamar

    jpalamar Long timer

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    While your logic seems flawless to me, my bet is that there will continue to be:
    1. Those that will play the odds
    2. Continue to believe that since it's a BMW motorcycle BMW is responsible for solving the problem
    3. Those that don't even know the problem exists:D
  14. GB

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    Most of us carry a tire plugging kit because who wants to get a tow to a dealer to get a tire plugged, if you can do it yourself. Unfortunately, because there is no way to bypass the immobilizer, if the antenna fails, carrying a spare makes sense because it will take less than 3 minutes to get the bike started again.

    I'm riding heading south next month and out west in the summer and I'd hate to be stuck because of it.. and with my usual good luck, the failure were it to occur, it would be on a Saturday afternoon in an area where dealers are closed on Monday, so I'd be stuck till at least Tuesday. I think I got my spare one for $115. It's a lot cheaper than a tow or a motel room.
  15. JimVonBaden

    JimVonBaden "Cool" Aid!

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    I am playing the odds. I am taking a 7K mile trip this summer, from DC to Oregon and up through Canada back to DC through Maine. I wont be carrying one, my bike, and my riding partner's GS both have over 40K miles. VERY few, if any, have broken at this point. They usually go early. Besides, I can give GB (Rick) a call and borrow his in Canada, and jpalomar(John) and borrow his in the US!:deal :evil

    Jim :brow
  16. jpalamar

    jpalamar Long timer

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    Interesting reply in that somehow I had you in the category of the percentages are truly in the owners' favor against this ever happening'. I guess, like I said, it's like vacation insurance and 100+ bucks postured against the long trip, a bargain. Would we all like this issue to NOT EXIST, amen! But, then there's the real world.
  17. jpalamar

    jpalamar Long timer

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  18. ylexot

    ylexot Super Genius

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    There should be an asterisk next to people in the BMWMOA book if they have a spare antenna ring :lol3
  19. JimVonBaden

    JimVonBaden "Cool" Aid!

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    I knew I could count on you John!:thumb

    Glad I suggested this a few pages back!:lol3

    Jim :brow
  20. Y E T I

    Y E T I Unpossible

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    I plan to print out this thread and keep it with me. If my ring fails I can see who is closest to me and has one!! :lol2 :lol2 :lol2



    Oh wait, I have a ring . . . :huh :poser