Excelsior-Henderson

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by tkitna, Jul 21, 2015.

  1. Donkey Hotey

    Donkey Hotey De Jo Momma

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    @Jarlaxle No, nothing new to report. The Laughlin River Run is coming up and a contingent of Xers will be attending as they always do. I won't be joining.

    As best I know, nothing has happened yet with the EH name either. Passion was off the charts at the auction and now it's silence. Very odd.

    There's a nice blue/silver one for sale in Chicago with a stuck transmission.

    https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/mcy/d/excelsior-henderson-super/6552675281.html
  2. Jarlaxle

    Jarlaxle Bregan D'Aerthe

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    So, when do you go get it? :lol3
  3. d2wing

    d2wing Been here awhile

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    I think you are clueless. I was there. Luckily I had no involvement with them and did not want to. Failure was obvious at the start even if the bikes were that competitive. They weren't
    I saw a lot of those bikes and met the owners. at the time I lived near the factory and was an avid biker. They showed up at all the local events. They may have meant well but i have my doubts. That they had a bad business plan was obvious to me before they even started making bikes. They were ego driven, the business was secondary at best.They did spend a boatload of money on production facilities. The bikes were distinctive and different but not having broad appeal.. Better they were not. Those were heady days for every Heavy cruiser bikes. Not just Harley. There were the big Japanese makers, Victory, old Style Indians, and countless custom makers all after the market that was about to slow down. They were late to the market, had stiff and better competition and were over extended. Not many people liked the style or Victory for that matter. Like Victory they had problems with the untested designs. Yes they tried, but with other peoples money and unrealistic expectations, and misplaced priorities and so so bikes and a poor plan. The product was well overpriced, untested designs, polarizing style and underwhelming performance, and the business way overspent and over extended. The owners were on a huge ego trip. It was part of my job at the time analyze businesses and determine viability. I shut down better businesses than them. Victory had their own deep pockets to correct mistakes, reinvent and had a better product to start with and had the will and money to absorb loses until they had a viable product like the other major players. And like other major players, it was not an ego trip for a couple of fast talking pirates. I am sure you have your own opinion but I am a professional business expert and was much closer to the situation than you.
  4. GSJon

    GSJon Long timer

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    Checking on this now, the posting has been deleted :(
  5. Donkey Hotey

    Donkey Hotey De Jo Momma

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    Search again. It's relisted with an even lower price. :deal
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  6. Donkey Hotey

    Donkey Hotey De Jo Momma

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    I'm an engineer and I don't have much respect for "business analysts" TBH, so we're even. :lol3 I could wallpaper the house with magazine articles from the 1990s declaring the demise of Apple Computer. So much for bean counters.

    I believe you're looking back on that period with very idealistic glasses. You claim Victory had a better design but, ignore the very real transmission problems they had (never resolved) or the reality that parts are no longer available for those V92 models and have not been for a long time (ten years or more if I understand correctly). The engine styling was chunky and geometric. I used to describe it as having been "styled by engineer."

    The front fender was just a cookie-cutter cruiser fender. The tank looks like it came from another motorcycle. It leaves too much of the upper frame and head area exposed and just an awkward amount of the front head and plumbing exposed to view. Look at the picture below. If that tank were primer instead of paint, I wouldn't even believe it came with this motorcycle. The tank doesn't look like it's attached to the bike.

    The primary case on the left side looks like they gave it to the intern to finish, on a Friday afternoon, just before going to happy hour. Without anything else making it notable or to set it apart (Indian valenced fenders, EH springer, wide fender, notched tank, etc), how would somebody know this wasn't a contemporary Yamaha or Kawasaki cruiser?
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    Admittedly: I think they did a great job on their logo and those tank badges. The instrument cluster up in the headlight was nicely done. They had some other nice touches. They also had more displacement than the Excelsior Henderson, which was about to become a war between the brands. That's obviously a market driver that EH missed.

    As for being under-designed: I rode a brand new CVO Road Glide two years ago, after having ridden my Super X 100 miles to the motorcycle show. The only thing I walked away from that test ride wishing the Super X had was the electronic cruise control. Yeah, the Harley was newer in every way and hugely improved over a 2000 vintage Harley. That just shows how far behind the Harley line was at the time and how lazy they still remain. I'm not arguing that the Excelsior Henderson is a better motorcycle but, for all the mistakes they allegedly made, they sure did proportionally better job than the MoCo did with all of their engineering might, sales waiting lists and above MSRP pricing.
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