Extended Carbon Fiber beak.....Help me design it....

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  1. ebrabaek

    ebrabaek Long timer

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    More the plastic.... There are a lot of plastic on this bike used as structural members..... adding 5-6 inches....might make it flop around.....or perhaps....crack the "structural plastic" the beak mounts to....:thumb:thumb

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  2. Y E T I

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    Is there a way to reinforce the beak? The HP2 uses an external beak support but I'd prefer not to do that...
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  3. ebrabaek

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    Yes. And that would be simple to do...... But the more I look at this....( looking in the garage while getting tools for the table assembly...:D).... I see that it would next to impossible to make a new beak....and reuse the black plastic......Very complex lines and angles..... but now leaning towards.....making a new front plastic.....longer off course....and reuse the stock painted beak...... Some serious design went into the stock beak....and it will be hard to break the lines...... well....ehh... successfully...:thumb:thumb

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  4. Captain Beardylocks

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    That was what I had in my head when I fist looked into this thread... taking the stock black front piece and glue foam (of something) onto the front which you could carve into whatever shape you want, and then use the whole thing as a mold that you can do the layups over.


    personally, i kinda like the fugly beak on the first page. It seems like the recurve on the front would block a lot of dirt and debris from getting flung forward and ending up on the headlight/helmet while the shorter overall length would be better for vibration issues
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  5. GeckoRider

    GeckoRider Been here awhile

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    The pictured beak would be "too much" in my book, but would fit in to the name I have given mine (see sig). Which ever option (full part replacement, just the black bit) you come up with that is solid and looks decent I'd be interested in just from an aesthetics side (beauty in the eye, etc) along with a functional side as secondary.

    Looking forward to what you come up with.
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  6. lmclamore

    lmclamore Citation Collector

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    Please forgive this stupid question...on a bike with a fender, What is the "beak" for precisely?
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  7. ebrabaek

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    To create turbulence on the rider.....:D:lol3

    :thumb:thumb

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  8. AdvWolf

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    That is what I was thinking with the whole tooling and vacuumed formed plastic beak. BUT will be interested to see the final product. I will just lurk along the way.
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  9. soyanarchisto

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    It will be interesting to see how you can extend the plastic tip much without risking it getting too close to the tire on full compression. If you change the angle at that point its gonna look pretty funky.

    If anyone can pull it off, you can!
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  10. Ceri JC

    Ceri JC UK GSer

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    Me and a mate always say the front of his KTM 690SM looks like Spy vs Spy. If I was to get one, I'd get a white one, just for the comedy value of the contrast with his black one.
    :evil

    EDIT: I have been looking at the new G650GS the past couple of weekends. On that, the beak rotates with the front end, rather than staying "straight on" the way larger GSes do. I wonder if with a more upright angled beak (like the F8's) and with an extension on it, you could just ditch the lower fender entirely. Modding the F8's to operate in this way would be rather tricky, but not impossible. The only thing I wouldn't like about it would be the aesthetics when the bike isn't going in a straight line (IE every time it is parked with the steering lock on/cornering), but I'd be prepared to sacrifice that for the functionality.
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  11. ebrabaek

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    Yeppers..... That is where this is going..... I`m not sure it`s for me.....:D... But several that has voiced their dis likeness for the lover huger fender..... Wanted a longer beak, so they could ditch the hugger altogether...:thumb:thumb

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  12. ebrabaek

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    Ok.....so between sipping espresso....cold water....I`ve been sitting through out the day....and looking at this beak...... Only to find that I am no closer than when I started. Well.... I have discovered a few things.... The tire will not hit anything at full compression. Measured everything..... The deceiving issue is that the tire goes up on a reclined angle.... all safe. Bad thing is regardless how you do this.... You will mess with the very elegant front. I don`t think that replacing the beak with a carbon fiber unit will work for anybody but myself......and I`m not sure I will like the break in the mix of factory paint and front plastic piece. I can make anything....well with respect to the fender....:D... But it has to look equal or better than stock..... And if I end up remake the whole piece.....(beak and plastic front tip)....It will not be financially feasible to sell.... It`l simply be too expensive..... I am trying to find a feasible option....and have`nt given up yet..... But I must say....after holding the plastic tip 5 inches further forward.... I`m not impressed with how that looked.....:thumb:thumb

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  13. ebrabaek

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    I could......But that`s only half of it..... To make it...and sell it. It would have to be a double side mold....due to the funky angles. I`d be patching and sanding for hours, but there in lies the beauty.....same beak outer shape without the sharp angles....would look ....ehhh... not so good.:D... But fiberglass would make it cheaper,and heavier.....but cheaper. You`d have to paint it. First I will need to settle on the shape......:thumb:thumb

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    Having done the high fender swap all ready, I'd be interested in this longer beak. I looked at ways to do something with it, but am not at all skilled in composit fabrication so I did not attempt it. I looked at other materials within my skill set for fabrication, but couldn't come up with a decent plan that would not look cobbled together.

    I'm not a fan of carbon fiber add-ons just for the sake of asthetics, but seeing the work from your other threads, I know you'll produce a fine bit of work on these. A nice carbon fiber extended beak would be something I'd buy. Still, the primary purpose for me would be the function not the look, and I know it might seem odd to some, but I'd probably paint it to match the bike. :huh But then again, once I see the finished product, I might not. :thumb

    I'm watching and waiting. :lurk
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  15. AdvWolf

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    "Dirt bike and ATV fenders are usually made of low density polyethylene (PE). Polyethylene is known as an "olefinic" plastic, which literally means "oily" plastic. Polypropylene (PP) is another type of plastic in this family that is sometimes used on dirt bikes and ATVs. You can recognize these types of plastic by their slightly greasy feel. They usually have a slightly translucent appearance as well."

    http://www.urethanesupply.com/dirtbikes.php


    I was looking for a much more flexable plastic material that would work on the bike. Our beek tends to be on the rigid side to me. Not that this site has anything to used but the "process" of how you repair the material. Work the material.

    I am almost certain that the are made on an injection molder. this would be a problem for the paint to stick- it will not. you can get colors to inject into the forms thought. Black, White, blue, green, just not your color perfect match.

    I do not know just trying to throw ideas out there. Brainstorming!
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  16. grandpa_ken

    grandpa_ken Been here awhile

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    Can anyone report on how much "muck" gets by the beak when the fender is removed? How much extension is needed?
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  17. ebrabaek

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    There is nothing wrong with painting CF. The look`s are a cool side benifit, and I have many friends that does`nt like the CF look, and paint theirs..... I would be the last one to pick on that....:thumb:thumb

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  18. ebrabaek

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    GPRacer would/should be able to comment on that......:thumb:thumb

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  19. Gany

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    How about instead of extending the beak, do the high fender mod and make a beak filler that looks more aesthetically pleasing than the wunderlich stumpy beak?

    Id picture something that resembles the lines of a KTM990 (flat rounded over the front fender) and to tie it into the lines of the bike extend it down to join the side fairings near the indicators?

    I might have to try do a sketch of what Im thinking if you think its worth exploring?
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  20. ebrabaek

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    I`m game for anything....... :freaky.... Next thing for me.....is to make a foam plug.....in the shape I think..... I don`t have the warm and fuzzy......yet..anyway....:D

    :thumb:thumb

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