Extra Fuel

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by snowman318, Apr 21, 2013.

  1. snowman318

    snowman318 Future Corpse

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    How you carrying it on a thumper? Where are you mounting it?[​IMG]
    Trying this on a TE 250
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  4. snowman318

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    Thanks guys , was kinda looking on how some of you folks mounted your bottles on a dual sport.
    I like the pelican box with the top mount, maybe going to go that way, Thanks again:clap
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  5. RideFreak

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    This is what I did.
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  6. jon_l

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    I have 3 of these:

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    Haven't figured out where to attach them yet. There are loops on the back not shown in the photo.

    I have E-12s too, so RideFreak's photo is of interest.

    Previously these bottles were stuffed loose into whatever spot I could fit them, but they dent easily, and I'd rather hang them outside than take up pack space.
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  7. MrPulldown

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    Have you guys ever run out of fuel and had to dump one of those MSR bottles in your tank. It is a drop in the bucket. Hardley enough to get anywhere. I was carrying a 22oz and ran out of gas. Dump it in the tank and was like "That's it". Had to make sure it was on the petcock side, and even then the bike would bog as I went over whoops and the gas sloshed around. I did not have to walk to the gas station though. However I was still basiclly in town.

    I figured for any kind of real touring situation that would be nothing. At the very minimum I would need to take 2 33oz bottles. More realisticly 2-2 liter bottles in a set of sweet cheeks seat cover would give decent range.

    I have chugged a gatorade bottle and filled those up and placed them in a backpack before. The wide opening is good for gas station fills.
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  8. snowman318

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    I'll post up pics when I figure out how it will mount.
    I only need the one bottle.
    Anyone have one on the front fender ?
    Next year maybe I'll spring for the 3 gal tank
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  9. 240nekkid

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    Hey Ridefreak, how's this system working out for you? I have a '12 500exc and I thought about going this route, but I'm nervous about putting much weight on the subframe. My next option is a globetrottin day tripper with some stuff sacks. The weather just turned in norcal, so i'm commuting to work. i work up in the mountains on four day shifts, so i'll be carrying anywhere between 15-30 pounds on the pavement each week, with the same weight range out on the trails on my multi-day camping trips. and hows the size of the e-12 working out for you? thanks, jim
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    Hey Snowman, i didn't think about it at the time, but sorry for jackin your thread.
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  11. RideFreak

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    I'm getting ready to test it out on a 450mi off-road ride around Canyonlands next week. I weighed the setup today and w/o fuel it's 22lbs. Add another 4lbs wihen there's fuel in the bottles. The weight centers on the last 4" of the seat (just over the junction where the lower subframe supports come up). The only issues I see so far with this setup is you loose the last 6" of seat. I'm 5'10" and don't notice it on the KTM which has a roomy cockpit. If your bike is smaller a different top pack might be better so you'd have more room.
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  12. snowman318

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    No worries, just this is the first bike without "reserve". I'm good with a trip odo and all but just in case.
    And so far the mileage isn't very good,( my fault :lol3)
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  13. jon_l

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    Mine are for emergencies, I plan to not need it. I have 3 one liter bottles, so 2.25L when filled. On my WR250R, that is 60 kilometers (40 miles). If gasoline were a big issue where I ride, I'd get a bigger tank, but it isn't. I may buy a Rotopax, but so far I've not needed more fuel than the MSR bottles hold. Time will tell.

    I don't like running FI bikes low on gasoline anyway, since the fuel cools the fuel pump, so the bottles are there for friends or when sh*t happens.
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    Let us know how it works out for you, Enjoy the trip. Thanks!
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    Mine gets my big DR about another 12 miles. 12 miles may not seem very far when you're riding, but a 12-mile hike in riding boots would probably seem pretty far to most people. It's also easy to carry out to a well-traveled road that's within 12 miles, siphon into, and then carry back to an empty bike.

    If you need to go much further than what an extra gallon (2-3 bottles) will do for you, and/or you find yourself needing your bottle frequently, you may as well just install a bigger tank...then maybe expand it.
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    No doubt that any extra miles ridding is far better than walking. If I really milk it my bike can get 70mpg so a 22oz bottle can get me 12 miles. But that is only on paper; I think I can truely expect only about 5 miles out of a 22oz bottle, and that is on relatively level ground. Once you have run out of gas it is below a zero level due to the sloshing around and the sputtering as the carb is trying to suck up every last drop and keep from dying. This is even worse if you have a single petcock and accidently (or you can not control which lobe) dump the gas into the wronge side.

    I have used my spare bottle twice, once for me and once for a freind. For me it wasn't a problem and I got out ok. For my buddy, it seems like he only got about 2+ miles as he sputtered into the gas station. Rich tuned DRZ400. WE were LUCKY, though we did not try to lean the tank over and try to get all the gas from the none petcock side. And even though I talk smack about it, I still carry one at times. I even have a larger capacity tank.

    What I was really commenting on is how many people strap one of these on their bikes thinking it will expand their range, without really having experiance with an out of gas situation. How many 1200GS's do you see with one or even two of these strapped to the back of the side boxes. I tend to chuckle to myself thinking of the true range a 22oz msr bottle of fuel will yeild those guys. This is jsut the first time I have expressed my "chuckle" with words.

    This is one of those situations where YMWV!!

    To give some useful input, instead of all my bantering, A slick way to carry these bottles is with a tool tube. The Farm supply tractor manual tool tubes that are so popular. I have two of these. One for tools and if I am "touring" and have my big rack on, I will hose clamp a second tube on the bottom/side of the rack. A MSR bottle slips in there perfectly. Jsut wrap the bottle with a rag so that it doesn't rattle around very much. It however really beats up the bottles paint job.
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  17. RideFreak

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    Nothing replaces good planning, I try to plan rides using only 60~70% of the tank's capacity leaving a 30% buffer in event something doesn't go as planned. The MSR bottles are just to augment that reserve if the destances dictate it.

    I would never plan a ride where I needed to use them to reach my destination. For me the other side of the tank is also an additional reserve. I've laid the bike over more than once to switch fuel to the other side.
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  18. snowman318

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    I do a dual sport every June and the first day is 90 mi.
    Did that on a KLR 250 without stopping for gas or going on reserve. Must have been close.
    The TE 250 isn't going to do that good, and 3-4 hundred bikes at two gas stations sucks. Hoping to get to the second stop (65 mi ) where it is less crowded. I haven't rode the bike long enough to figure out the mileage yet, next weekend is a hare scramble, maybe I'll get an idea then.I've heard 30-40 mpg depending.
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  19. Lost Rider

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    MSR Dromedary bags work great as fuel containers. 33 oz fuel bottles take up the same space full or empty and don't give me enough range anyways, but we all have different needs.
    Just be aware you want to keep them on the outside in fresh air and not in a pannier of soft bag, gas vapors do seem to seep out just a little and would have everything around stinking like gas too if they are in something.
    They are stout enough to get strapped down on a seat or rack with ROK straps or hanging like this on a backpack. Strong as hell.
    I sometimes take a piece of garbage bag from the corner of garbage cans at gas stations and put it under the small cap to avoid spilling if the flip open cap gets bumped.
    My 4L and 6L bags I have been used many times with no issue, usually not keeping fuel in them for more than 24 hours. and can effective double my range without taking up much space when empty.



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  20. itnanti

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    I got the same setup except the the KTM. How's the fuel bottles doing. Have you tested the setup yet? Do they leak onto the saddle bags? I'm worried about the bottle leaking on the exhaust since the opening sits above it.:kboom

    This is what happens in death valley when you dont tie them down properly. I rode for 10 miles with these bad boys hanging off the side thank god they took all the damage. Thats why I ordered the wolfman holsters.
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