F800GS complaints...

Discussion in 'Parallel Universe' started by skyfish, Oct 12, 2008.

  1. skyfish

    skyfish Adventurer

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    Okay, I have my '09 F800GS for three weeks now, and I truly love the bike. But, I've got a few observations questioning BMW engineering for the new F*/GS bikes. I've noticed that deploying the sidestand while sitting on the bike requires leaning the bike past vertical to the right side to get the stand down, (sidestand too long???). And the F800GS seems to be much more top heavy, (i.e. leaning the bike at a stop past the point-of-no-return), much more than the F650GS or ther R1200GS. The suspension is significantly higher than its predicessors, so a large majority of the weight has been moved vertically to accomodate the higher ground clearance. Even though the fuel tanks are located low on the frame of the bike, it still feels somewhat top-heavy in stand-still leans.

    Any UKGSers seeing this? :ear

    Thanks,

    Dave M.
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  2. Wildman

    Wildman In my castle

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    Hi Dave

    Slightly agree regarding the bike being "top-heavy" despite the fuel cell being under the seat. Particularly noticeable with luggage on the seat behind you as with mine on a recent trip.

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    Problem (if it is a problem) has been cured for me with panniers which have really stabilised the bike.

    No problem with the side stand except on a camber. I find the bike lays over a little too much on the side stand so it could be BMW have corrected that with the "09" version and created the reverse problem.

    Still loving it!
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  3. CrazyMike

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    I've got the same sidestand issue but I just reckoned that the larger foot I stuck on there was the culprit. Either way, I've gotten used to it and do not see it as a problem.

    Regarding the top-heavyness...the F800GS is way less top heavy than my R1150RT felt so I don't know what to tell you. To me, this thing is so light and flickable that it's a non-issue.
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  4. Dr. Zaius

    Dr. Zaius It's a mad house

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    I have noticed the side stand issue with mine. I needed to stand "away" from the bike (counter balance) as I lean the bike to the right to deploy the side stand. I have almost dropped the bike once for that very reason.
    I notice the top heavy weight from the bike while not moving...once riding...not a problem at all. However at a stand still...or muscling the bike around in my garage, if it starts to lean a bit...watch out...she will go over. I believe this is because of the travel in the shocks, and no matter how low you get the weight on the bike, it is still up off the ground more than other bikes. You need to be careful (if you have a short inseam like me) everytime you stop...make sure your feet are reaching for the ground on the high side of the bike! 2,000 miles and counting on my F800GS...an amazing ride!

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  5. brianjonesphoto

    brianjonesphoto Single Track Noob

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    Are those of you that are having issues with the side stand shorter legged? I sounds to me that the preload isn't dialed in properly to make up for the ride height.
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  6. conrado

    conrado Been here awhile

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    +1

    Exactly my first tought.
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  7. Zapp22

    Zapp22 ZAPP - Tejas

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    That toppy feeling.... they're just showing that they were trying to copy Suzi's Weestrom :oscar

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  8. Dieselboy

    Dieselboy Journey not Destination

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    36in inseam= 0 issues with sidestand or topheaviness at stops

    Complaints:
    1. Fire the SOB who saddled us with these worthless mirrors.
    2. How about a tubless option at least?
    3. Could the engine guards also be designed to protect the radiator?

    Minor issues really. I love the bike.
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  9. CrazyMike

    CrazyMike ***42***

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    I like the mirrors. I have not had any issues at all with rearward visiblity. Are you a really wide person? :lol3
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  10. Dieselboy

    Dieselboy Journey not Destination

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    6'2" 190lbs so no.

    I find the cateye shape cuts the upper lobe off, so balancing the the look angle for rear and side is difficult. You can have one or the other (without having to change body position) but not both. I prefer both.
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  11. earthroamer

    earthroamer Stuck in Pindadesh

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    I don't have one.
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  12. HighTechCoonass

    HighTechCoonass Living the Dream....

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    no issues....lovin it!...:evil

    32" inseam no stand issue
    I just have to be carefull letting off the throttle in loose gravel....
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  13. skyfish

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    Yes and no... I am a shorter rider, (5' 7"), but Dr. Zaius isn't, (Mark, near 6' as I recall?). Dr. Zaius nailed it. The amount of travel in the rear shock when loaded versus unloaded determines the free swing in the side stand. As Marmite posted earlier, evidently there was a concern over the side lean of the F800GS in the 2008 version. Did BMW overcompensate in the 2009? :ear
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  14. skyfish

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    1. The mirrors on the F8GS work fine for me. Actually, I like them better than the previous BMW versions. Reason being is that I've always used my elbow/upper arm as a direction point to aim my rear-view mirrors, ( my upper am must be seen in the inner-most portion of the mirror). The F800GS mirrors seem to have a slightly wider-angle view than previous BMW mirrors.

    2. Welcome to the world of the R1200GS Adventure riders. Because you have spokes on you rims rather than alloy rims, you have to ride with tubes because of the possibility of puncture internally from the spoke heads. As for options, you can go with a cast wheel and stay on road, or learn to live with the tubes, and carry an emergency spare for long trips.

    3. I ordered the SW-Motech crash bars specifically to protect the radiator shroud. The radiator shroud is the widest part of the bike, and would probably be the most vulnerable in the event of a drop. I liked the SW-Motech's because they protected both the engine side cases and the radiator, becoming the widest point on the bike in the event of a fall. Plus, scuffs on crash bars are much cheaper to repair than crushed engine cases.

    Hope this helps...

    Dave M. :D
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  15. uncreative

    uncreative Been here awhile

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    Say what? the 1200 GS and GS adventure with spoked wheels have tubeless tires. bmw changed their mind with the 800 for some reason. probably because there's not a huge selection of 21" tubless front tires.
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  16. huckleberry

    huckleberry BACK ROAD BOMBER

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    does anyone but me think the tranny should be a wide ratio box with the same sixth and a lower 1st?
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  17. Dieselboy

    Dieselboy Journey not Destination

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    Oh, I'm not seeking solutions. Just complaining per the thread title. I've already worked around the issues I have in those three areas.

    But if I were considering the F8GS, I would like to have this kind of feedback, including the contradicting opinions. It's healthy and helpful for sizing up these machines.
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  18. AdvDesigns

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    It might be tire selection but I also heard from my local dealer that BMW went with the tube tires on the 800GS to keep the price under $11k. I am guessing that is also why they did not include basic handguards. I'm not sure if it true but it makes since.

    My brother picked up one of the first F800GS's in Cali and loves the bike. I road with him off-road and I was impressed with how the bike performed.
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  19. Dieselboy

    Dieselboy Journey not Destination

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    So I get home from work today and decide to check the oil....2200 miles and not a drop used.

    I'm concerned. I've owned 5 BMWs and have never experienced this. What should I do? :wink:
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  20. Motoriley

    Motoriley Even my posing is virtual

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    Oddly enough my Ural has burned less oil during break in than my 1150GS did. The 1150 eventually dried up after 20,000kms or so. Did you try loosening the oil filter a bit? :D


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