F800GS Pannier design considerations.

Discussion in 'Parallel Universe' started by RedHawk47, Dec 7, 2008.

  1. TBickell

    TBickell And away we GO !!

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    I do ride my 800GS off road aggressively and I have dumped it once ( just remembered) with the Jesse's on and there was no sign of impact. I think it's a great product and highly back them. There is an off chance that I may sell my bike and if I do I will sell those separately so keep watching the flea market..
  2. bearforce1

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    Hi there,

    I am taking a round the world trip. I am buying my bike, F 800 GS Adventure, new in South Africa where I will be starting. I am planning to spend a lot of time off road. I won't be going racing off road, simply getting from A to B seeing the world as I go by. This is to say I am not buying a YZ and so will not be riding like I am on a YZ.

    I have sweet FA experience with this type of riding.

    I like the idea of hard panniers a top box and a large dry/duffle bag across pillion and panniers. I also now like the tank panniers.

    I am going to be travelling for years. I like the idea of making life easy, packing easy, access easy, clip on and off and also lock up and walking away from the bike.

    I am tossing up between the Jesse or Pelican. Aluminium and plastic do seem to have advantages. I now people like the touratech panniers too but the jesse's seem better to me????????

    A lot of people say hard panniers cause more damage to the hard boxes, the pannier frames, the bike frame and the rider than soft panniers. People seem to suggest that coming off with Jesse or pelicans that this is not so much of an issue.

    The Adventure already has racks and how does this complicate or make things easier? Are there systems available that utilise the factory racks or do you remove the factory racks and install new racks.

    I will be using these things full time on my trip so I am happy to spend what is necessary for the best solution.

    Any advice or recommendations would be welcome.

    thanks heaps
    bearforce1
  3. AK Smitty

    AK Smitty Self life coach

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    PM sent. Just email me when you are ready to sell. Dont trust these other sketchy ADV guys I am a good home for your cases haha.

    Thanks for the input.
  4. Singletrack_mind

    Singletrack_mind Cave Man

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    Funny, I looked up this thread today specifically to voice some experience with the Jessie Safari II bags, and here are several inmates talking about them. Good timing I guess.

    I will agree that they are very well made. I didn't like the idea of having big fat boxes on my bike, so I figured at least I could get ones that were built to a standard I could appreciate, and these are. I see no obvious weaknesses. Excellent craftsmanship, good finishes, quality hardware. The frames mounted to the bike really nicely. The bags are very tough, I wouldn't hesitate to mount tie-downs or other hardware to them wherever they might be needed. There is a lot of clearance for trailside obstacles (although I use soft bags in dirt) and they are not going to touch down in hard cornering. I can drag my center stand in corners and the bags are not an issue. The company was willing to make mine without the graphics stickers shown on the website, which I appreciated.

    However, if I were to buy hard bags again, I might buy something else. Why? Three things:

    I picked them for their good volume in a comparatively narrow design*; The trade off is that they are both long and tall. They are several inches taller than the seat and even my rear rack, so putting anything across the tops would be less convenient, but mainly I just kick them a lot getting on and off the bike. I also thought I was going to be willing to live with the complex interior shape of the bags as a small price to pay for having them tucked in as close as possible, but in real life I find that it really does hinder loading them as compared to simple rectangular boxes.

    The second thing I have been disapointed with is the mounting system. I had understood that removing the bags would be a simple matter of folding out the crank on the top mount and loosening it up, then un-hooking the bags from the frames. In fact, I had a lot of trouble even getting the bags mounted until I had a conversation with Al Jessie and he explained that all the bolts on the lower black nylon mount had to be loosened substantially in order for the top of the bag to swing in close enough to the rack to engage the top clamp. Unfortunately this routine has to be followed to remove or reposition the bags as well, so taking the bags off the bike is not a simple tool-free process; it's a lengthy endeavor turning wrenches down inside the bags, and then requires re-aligning them when you put them back on since the lower mount has been loosened up. The powdercoated racks have been badly scarred up trying to force the upper clamps to engage too, so those will be rusting soon. This is a major disappointment, since I really didn't want to have giant bags on my bike all the time and the Jessies' system looked like it was going to be easy to remove & replace.

    Last, they are not water-proof. I've never had a set of hard bags that was, but I had hoped these might be. Just as an example I rode home in 20 minutes of heavy rain last night and there was water standing 1" deep in the lower forward corners of the boxes afterward.

    So, that's my experience with the bags so far. I'm keeping them, I bought them because I need them, and I may yet figure out some system of spacers that allows the top latch to work the way I want it to so I can remove and replace the bags conveniently, but If I'd known these things before I bought them I would have chosen something less expensive.

    *(BTW: the chart of bag widths at the start of this thread has them listed at 33" wide, Al Jesse says this is the GS1200 model Safari, not the 800 model, which is 35" wide)
  5. moulin6801

    moulin6801 Been here awhile

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    Thanks for the the feed back. I thought about getting one of them eventually, because I want something not as wide as BMW EOM, but Jessie looks too long... Not water tightf?! BMW's are 100% water tight !! :pynd
  6. B_C_Ries

    B_C_Ries Long timer

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    I purchased some Happy Trails Panniers but they weren't able to make them in time for my Baja trip. Though they did send me the rack. I ended up purchasing some MCM Electronics waterproof equipment cases (Basically Chinese Pelican Knockoffs) and mounting them with the Happy Trails mounts.
    I am really happy with this setup. They seem to be waterproof , as I need to use a lot of force to open them after going downhill several Thousand feet if I don't open the vacuum vents. I also dumped my bike with them on and misjudged clearance a few times there was no damage.
  7. RedHawk47

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    This is what my Jessies looked like after crashing in gravel on the Dalton Hwy at 40 mph. The bike went down on the right side; the cross bar in back torqued the left bag.
    [​IMG]
    The bags and lids were twisted. The top rims of the bags were parallelograms instead of rectangles, measuring two inches more in the long diagonal than the short.
    My buddy and I straighten the bags the best we could and I still use them. The seals are a bit torn and have to be repositioned frequently. The bags do not leak.
    OP
  8. Pangia

    Pangia Been here awhile

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    I am sure this has been discussed ad nauseum, but I will put in my 2ยข:

    I purchased soft bags by Kriega because I had read several posts on ADVrider about injuries happening to the rider from hard cases. Last month I was riding with a rider who is very experienced and much, much, much more experienced and accomplished than me. The conditions were a little wet in the New Mexico desert and we hit a short 200 meter section of very sticky clay. Long story short, I watched this rider (in slow motion / 12 mph) go down and as he did, his boot caught under the metal boxes with much of the weight of the bike on it and I witnessed his knee torque something quite ugly.

    Metal boxes can lock and are probably the best thing for a world tour....but if you can, you might want to consider soft bags. I have been down on mine several times and have not pinned my boot. Both Kriega and Wolfman make them. You can see my Kriega's on my ride report below.

    Cheers - Pangia
  9. Loutre

    Loutre Cosmopolitan Adv

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    I think bending the panniers depends on how they fall. My OEM Aluminium panniers fell off at 110kmh and wasn't even bend (just scratched all over).
  10. Snowy

    Snowy Long timer

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    Got the cases from a friend for free. They were used to carry brake test instruments.

    Made some simple brackets up to mount from my Wolfman soft luggage frames.

    On and off by opening closing a padlock.

    It's landed on it's side a few times in rock and crap, there's a big rubber scuff mark on the other pannier from when my son "hip checked" a Harley in traffic. (Made the guy think twice about trying to play boy racer and force an inside line he didn't have the skills to pull off. The dude wouldn't pull over for a punch on. Just as well, my boy is an elites boxer and kick boxer).

    I completely submerged the bike on one weekend trip and the only dry stuff was the stuff in the boxes.

    These are only small, and intended purely for short weekend trips where we stay in a motel and go and ride some forest tracks.

    In this pic, I had enough gear with me for 9 days away for the wife and I.

    I priced up some larger boxes for longer trips. It's easy to make the required brackets. Plus I still have the soft panniers I bought a couple of years back. For $200 I can set it up. I like them.

    These ones will fit almost anything I need...I use it to go to the shops for my weekly shopping trips. I surprised some guys in the shops carpark when they reckoned I'd never get all my shopping into the tankbag and 2 panniers. Then I put 2 cartons of beer on the rear rack and strapped it all on.

    Easy.

    [​IMG]

    The mounting system was constructed using 3 beers and some old angle iron I had laying around.
  11. forsythadv

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    Does any one have a picture of these racks on a '12 F800 GS? If so could you post a picture of both sides without the luggage along with a photo of the support on the backside of the tag plate. Would appreciate it!:clap
  12. redxblack

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    passing along a tip - I found a few places are selling WWII replica 20mm ammo cans for $25 each. These are galvanized and weigh about 13lbs empty each. I grabbed a set, but they won't arrive at my home until Friday.

    I bought mine from airsplat.com because the shipping was cheaper, but here's the first listing I saw when shopping.

    I'll post a review once I get em racked up and installed.

    http://www.majorsurplus.com/WWII-Style-Galvanized-20mm-Ammo-Can-P16834.aspx
  13. koryong

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    I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, but has anyone tried any mods to mount the BMW sport panniers onto the F800GS ? These are the grey plastic ones that fit the 800S & 800ST but sadly not the GS, which is a pity as IMHO, they look way better than all the other boxy panniers.

    I think the mounting rails are the same but the exhaust of the GS sits too high up so the left pannier will not sit onto the lower rail.
  14. Camel ADV

    Camel ADV Long timer

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    Hey guys, I'm looking for some pics of the rear latch area on the Hepco Becker cases where it secures to the rack. The 3 HB case pics in the thread are dead links.

    Thanks.
  15. sarathmenon

    sarathmenon Armchair Adventurer

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    Hmm, I think I know why you are asking for it. Can I interest you with shots of the SW Motech panniers instead? :D I promise I can take as many as you want :deal
  16. B_C_Ries

    B_C_Ries Long timer

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    I'm using Happy Trails Racks with MCM Electronics Cases. They are working out real well for me.[​IMG]
  17. Superduner

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    Time to stop lurking, I guess!

    I've had a fairly serious look through most of the posts here and don't see many (if any) options for side boxes for a 2014 800GSA.

    I'd really like a couple of Pelican Box type as in Caribou Cases, but nobody seems to do them (yet).

    What's out there?
  18. beltrack

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    You need to trot down to the Beemer dealer and measure the width of the stock used in making their racks. I have Happy Trails racks on my Suzuki DR200 and some cheap Seahorse--Pelican wannabes--cases sourced from Amazon. I used Happy Trails mounting pucks or "Mount Kit" as they call it that is used for mounting the Pelican style case of your choice.

    http://www.happy-trail.com/Happy-Trails-Pannier-Mount-Kit-Point1.aspx

    My Happy Trails rack uses square tubing that is 3/4". Yours may be close to that although the measurement will be metric. If it's close, they'll probably work.

    Better yet, call Happy-Trails and tell them what you want to do. I see that they list the F800GSA and show photos of same w/their aluminum cases. If you told them you wanted Pelican style, they may have a solution for you.

    John in Maine
  19. beltrack

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    Another thought--call Roger at Caribou Cases and perhaps he'll have a solution. He shows top cases for the GSA. He may be working on a side case solution for that bike.

    John in Maine
  20. beltrack

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    Here is my 2011 V-Strom with my just installed Caribou 40L cases. It measures 38" wide--1" narrower than the same cases on my 2012 F650GS (and 10" narrower than the width of the new V-Strom Adventure which comes w/factory bags. Yes! They are 46").

    Both of my bikes are equipped with Hepco-Becker racks. On the V-Strom, relocation of the turn signals was needed.

    John in Maine

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