F800GS Pannier design considerations.

Discussion in 'Parallel Universe' started by RedHawk47, Dec 7, 2008.

  1. Bucko

    Bucko In a parallel world

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2004
    Oddometer:
    822
    Location:
    South Coast, CA
    Hey MNB,

    How long does it take to install/remove the Caribou rack system from your GS? I'm intrigued by the quick release SW Motech system, but if the Caribou's have a stronger rack it might be worth a few minutes to put them on. I assume the bags attach/detach rapdily, no?

    Thanks. :D
    #61
  2. M N B

    M N B would rather be riding

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2008
    Oddometer:
    1,257
    Location:
    San Jose, CA

    It would be a bit of a pain to remove the rack. It's doable, but it's really designed to be installed and left on the bike.

    You could probably leave it in one piece and just unbolt it, but you'd need to replace some of the stock hardware and moving the hardware would probably cause wear on the silicon sealing that you put in some of the joints during assembly (to prevent water getting inside and rusting things.

    I spent about 3 hours putting it on originally, but I took breaks and such. If you wanted to remove and reinstall, you could do it in maybe ... 30 minutes, perhaps less once you got used to it.

    I plan on just leaving the rack on for the rare cases where I'm riding without the panniers (eg: leave the bags at camp and go out riding).
    #62
  3. bigdog99

    bigdog99 CJ's bitch

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2004
    Oddometer:
    332
    Location:
    Near cowtown, CA
    I'll probably start a bunch of new arguments here, but there is more to consider than lane splitting as reasons to keep the bags close. I should probably go pull out my old Halliday and Resnick physics textbook, but the polar moment of hanging all that weight high and wide is probably the biggest influence on handling and the best reason for keeping the load tight. Think wire walkers with their long balance poles. Also, if you are truly "adventure riding", meaning loaded down over many miles of secondary or dirt roads, the further the load is placed from the centerline of the mounts means more cantilevered force on the mounting system. Unless adventure touring includes finding a welder every few days to fix the mount system, the closer the load is kept to the mount system or bike centerline, the more consistently reliable it will be.

    After I wore out the original cases on my 89 R100GS, I bough a set of Givis off a crashed bike. Those lasted about a week, the handling difference between the Givis and stock bags was significant. I bought one of Jesse's first sets, and they were actually narrower than stock with about twice the load capacity. I had to re-weld the stock BMW brackets several times, but I never once had to reweld the Jesses. Al sent me a modified brace once no charge, but that was after my son had crashed the bike on the left bag (which did not keep the bag from functioning until we got home).

    BTW, the beauty of the Jesses, in terms of in/liter, is that it is very possible to travel with everything inside the bags, tent, sleeping bags, etc. I love the Jesses in say Mexico, because I can leave the bike most any where without worrying about what's disappearing while I'm gone. Yea, I don't ride with GPS, XM or anything else either. Just my personal style, so we don't need a new thread on how dumb I am, but my idea of traveling doesn't include having to stay within sight distance of my bike or wear a backpack full of gear everywhere I go. The 90L Jesses give you the most options with all the right considerations.
    #63
  4. DiabloBlanco

    DiabloBlanco Intl' Hops Inspector

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2007
    Oddometer:
    303
    Location:
    Minneapolis, MN
    As someone who has spent a few months agonizing over cases...

    Does anyone have pics of Jesse's installed?
    In every objective way I look at it Jesse's are winners. Price, size, width (plus if you add the optional rack it only becomes a stronger objective win). Subjectively though, from looking at Jesse's website of their system installed, those cases just don't visually "fit" with the bike at all. The shape, the color matching. I guess maybe I'm just being a style-wh0re, but I feel like I should be entitled to having good quality functional gear that compliments the bike too.

    The BMW and Trax look effin great and functional and the prices are decent, 900-1500 but even my soon to be step mother's arse isn't so wide! If motorcycles had a reverse gear there should be a little horn beeping when you back up with those... (especially in the case of the Trax, but that's BMWs fault for the fat exhaust can and so even if you got a skinnier can, most racks for the 800/650 are built to accomodate the can not solving the problem)
    (on a note, the max I want to spend is 1500 ish).

    Don't like to side loading/opening plastic varios/pelis, etc. I'll take aluminum.

    And that 1500 brings me to MetalMule. Love 'em. The cases, especially the black and silvers, are awesome. Good frames, not so wide, good capacity... at British prices they're not so bad considering you get a new slimmer exhaust to boot (2 grand without the 15% VAT that the locals pay) but since you HAVE to go through BestRest as MM won't directly sell to US residents, it is made more difficult in that they cost $2600+ to purchase them stateside. Yeah, I'm whining right now... welcome, Jordan, to the world of farkling.

    So I will stop ranting as soon as someone posts pictures of Jesses mounted and I decide that after a good black powdercoating I might just like them..
    #64
  5. earthroamer

    earthroamer Stuck in Pindadesh

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2006
    Oddometer:
    2,045
    Location:
    SoCal
    Take a look over here. Pictures of grey and charcoal Jesses mounted.
    #65
  6. DiabloBlanco

    DiabloBlanco Intl' Hops Inspector

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2007
    Oddometer:
    303
    Location:
    Minneapolis, MN
    A shame I was too lazy to find that myself (I wish there was a better way of organizing threads, like within a named file system).

    Those look FAR better than the Jesse webpage shows them. They're back on top of my list, so if BestRest doesn't write me back in 48 hours with an amazing price for MM's, then Jesse's will be on order.

    Thank you!
    #66
  7. Dert Gerl

    Dert Gerl Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2007
    Oddometer:
    205
    Location:
    Prescott, AZ
    I have a set of the quick release SW Motechs in transit. I cut off my passenger pegs and they're the only set I found that mounts to the subframe rather than the passenger peg tubes. When I read that they were quick release the decision was made. That's cool! I'm curious how durable the quick release system will be.

    Any feedback from someone who already has a set?
    #67
  8. WoodWorks

    WoodWorks House Ape

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2003
    Oddometer:
    2,204
    Location:
    Ashland, OR, USA
    I've had the SW-Motech racks on my F800GS for almost two months and about 1500 miles now, and have taken them off about 6 or 8 times. No problems with the durability of the quick release mechanism. But I suspect that they won't hold up in a crash as well as the more solidly bolted on racks will. Of course, I'm only guessing. I bet I'll find out for sure eventually, though. :D

    Here's some close up pix of them on and off the bike.

    David
    #68
  9. Dert Gerl

    Dert Gerl Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2007
    Oddometer:
    205
    Location:
    Prescott, AZ
    Thanks for the feedback! My bikes tend to need to "rest" pretty regularly, but I'm just using them to mount soft bags so we'll see how that goes ...
    #69
  10. M N B

    M N B would rather be riding

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2008
    Oddometer:
    1,257
    Location:
    San Jose, CA
    I was thinking the same thing, which is why I decided to go with the Caribou mount. I won't ride all that often without the bags mounted and when I do, it'll be offroad, so the extra crash cage will come in handy.

    I certainly see the value and desire of having it removable for those with other priorities, though.
    #70
  11. WoodWorks

    WoodWorks House Ape

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2003
    Oddometer:
    2,204
    Location:
    Ashland, OR, USA
    Tell you what, M N B, I ride down there this spring (once the snow melts), we'll find some gnarly, muddy single track, crash a few times, and the one with the most screwed up racks buys the beer! :beer

    David
    #71
  12. ]I)Money

    ]I)Money D NOT I

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2006
    Oddometer:
    3,984
    Location:
    Central central.
    When my front brake locked, and threw me down, I had my SW mounts on, but no bags mounted yet. Scraped a lot of paint off of the left mount, but it didn't bend at all, and in fact saved my akro from certain doom.:deal
    #72
  13. WoodWorks

    WoodWorks House Ape

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2003
    Oddometer:
    2,204
    Location:
    Ashland, OR, USA
    That (other than the fact you went down) is good to hear, Money. Thanks for testing them. :lol3

    David
    #73
  14. HighTechCoonass

    HighTechCoonass Living the Dream....

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2005
    Oddometer:
    2,701
    Location:
    land of the swamps!, Cajun Country LA
    my TT rack is very easy to remove...it can be removed in one piece.
    [​IMG]
    #74
  15. HighTechCoonass

    HighTechCoonass Living the Dream....

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2005
    Oddometer:
    2,701
    Location:
    land of the swamps!, Cajun Country LA
    see this thread also...
    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=387330




    #75
  16. Travlr

    Travlr Adventurer

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2008
    Oddometer:
    82
    Location:
    Southern Alberta
    Someone on here asked about top load plastic cases. Here is what Pelican offers. Maybe not the largest capacity, but they are top load. There is a larger set on their site as well but they have built in dolley/handle.

    http://www.pelican.com/cases_detail.php?Case=1430

    I'm expecting my 10" Jesse's in the next couple of days will post pics once installed.
    #76
  17. Dert Gerl

    Dert Gerl Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2007
    Oddometer:
    205
    Location:
    Prescott, AZ
    FYI - the 1440's which are the larger capacity ones you mention ... the built in dolley/handle and all the mounts for them unbolt leaving a reasonably clean unit. I have a set of the 1430's and 1440's that I'm going to try out down the road with my racks. I wish there were a size in between though, because the 1430's are a bit small and the 1440's are a bit big.
    #77
  18. MonsterJ

    MonsterJ I have motopsychosis

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Oddometer:
    262
    Location:
    Bay Area, CA
    I just finished mounting up a set of 1440s to Happy Trails racks. I'm pretty happy with the results but they are a bit portly. The set up ended up being 44.5in wide. I still have my wife's bike to do (with the HT racks and 1440s) but I might fab up different mounts to make it a wee bit narrower. I think I can get it down 2in or so.

    Anyone else care to post up how wide their set up is?
    #78
  19. onarock

    onarock Adventurer

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2008
    Oddometer:
    77
    Location:
    In the ocean
    Hey Monster show us your set up.
    Pics please :bow
    #79
  20. Dert Gerl

    Dert Gerl Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2007
    Oddometer:
    205
    Location:
    Prescott, AZ
    Yep, I'd like to see pics too!!
    #80