F800GS - Stock Tires - Anakee, not Battle Wings?

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  1. DidYouSeeThat

    DidYouSeeThat Uhhhh... Where?

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    I doubled my odomter at lunch today. I have 44 miles on my F800GS now.

    Anyway... When I bought it the tires looked different then the Test Bike Tires, but I just figured that was the new-ness of it all.

    I was told that the F800GS has tubes. I was also told they came stock with Battle Wing Tires. :huh

    The tires on mine say - Michelin Anakee "Tubeless".
    I'm sure there is a tube in there... :D

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    http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/2/29/393/5392/ITEM/Michelin-Anakee-Adventure-Sport-Rear-Tire.aspx
    Here is a link to the tire. These guys seems to like them for the street stuff.

    Anybody else get Anakee with thiers?
    Anybody tried an Anakee?

    I really love this bike.
    Much better than my Honda Cruiser :lol3
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  2. SoDak

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    Yup, mine has anakees also (from the dealership). Yup, they have tubes (just like the stamp on the tire says to do). Yup, they work well on pavement.

    I don't know why mine has anakees and the other f800gs on the floor has battlewings. Maybe they found some anakees cheap. Anyway, I was told to run the PSI according to the tire and not according to the owner's manual.
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  3. lmychajluk

    lmychajluk Long timer

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    What does this mean - "Tubeless On Tube Type Rim"?

    I was under the impression that most spoked rims need a tube? How does a tire change that fact? Doesn't air leak out around where the spokes connect to the rim?
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  4. markit

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    Read the entire stamp, "Tubeless On Tube Type Rim USE A TUBE"
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  5. lmychajluk

    lmychajluk Long timer

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  6. DidYouSeeThat

    DidYouSeeThat Uhhhh... Where?

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    What PSI are you running?
    ... I'll go check mine again.


    +1 on the happy hour.
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    All the rockers will groan.

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  7. MCMXCIVRS

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    Mine came with Anakees as well. I don't think any manufacturer ever uses a particular brand of tire exclusively. Typically, they will shop out the contract to suppliers and go with the lowest bidder. BMWs tire contract probalbly came for renewal and apparently Michelin must have offered a better deal to supply Anakees than Bridgestone did for the Battlewings. Too bad Continental couldn't get the TKCs in for a better price, then we all wouldn't have to go swapping tires right away. :lol3
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  8. bretoneer

    bretoneer Been here awhile

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    Hey fellows,

    I don't have a GS, just a Wee, but my Wee came with stock Battlewings. I have swapped over to Anakees after the OEMs did their time and the Anakees are a far better tire both on road and in the dirt. Better grip on road, better bite off road, and they wear (e.g. last) much longer too.

    In regard to TKCs, I'd only go to those if really soft off road is in the plans - the TKCs wear quickly and are nothing like the Anakees on road. Very little is gained with TKCs off road unless soft / deep sand might be in the mix.

    For hardpack to medium soft , as well as rocks etc the Anakees work just fine. Re the tube issue, one can seal the spoke holes on a spoked tire and run tubeless tires, but apparently the GS does not come with sealed spokes OEM. But the option is there if you want a tubeless tire that can be patched with standard auto plug kit, vs having to pull the tire and tube for repairs whilst on the road.
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  9. eakins

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    leftover anakees as the anakee 2 is out now?
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  10. RedHawk47

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    Bretoneer: Thanks for the review of the Anakees. I had decided to replace the Battlewings when they wear out with Anakees, based solely on the fact that they look better and the space between the blocks is larger. It is nice to know that they work better and last longer.

    I looked at the Michelin website; they claim "29% Longer tread life than its two nearest competitors*, but with no compromise in wet grip." for the 2's, but don't make it in the size for the front of the F800GS, but I'm sure the original Anakee will last long enough for the front
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  11. bretoneer

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    No prob RedHawk. The OEM Battlewings lasted me about 6k miles before I replaced them, there was still tread left but they had formed a pretty good ridge on either side. The Anakees (I haven't heard of the Anakee II yet) will do 10k plus easy, and they don't form the "death ridge" on either side of the center. And yes, the wet grip is better too. With that said, a buddy with a Wee has stuck with the Battlewings, forgot how many sets he's been through, he has 32k miles on his K6, and he said his third set was better than the OEM set. Don't know if the Battlewings were upgraded or not, but I am very happy with the performance of the Anakee and see no reason to go to a different tire, unless long stretches of deep sand or open desert are on the horizon, which in my case they are not. I hope whatever the Anakee II is, that it is at least as good as the originals and not a step backwards. P.S. off road I don't even bother to air them down any more, just run stock pressure. With my cast rims this works much better anyway on rocky dirt. With your spoked rims this will not be as much an issue. Have fun with that GS800 RedHawk, it looks like a very sweet ride.
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  12. DidYouSeeThat

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    bretoneer: Cool. Thanks for the review.
    I liked the look better too, good to hear the perfomrance is there too.:wink:
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  13. moto73

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    I noticed the 2010 F800GS has V rated Anakees. I can't find these anywhere for sale. Anyone have any ideas?

    90/90-21 M/C 54V
    150/70-R17 M/V 69V
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  14. The Griz

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    F800GS's are shipping with Bridgestone Battlewings, Michelin Anakees, or Pirelli Scorpion Trails. They're all pretty much the same Tubless Radial design. No biggy.

    To clear up the confusion regarding the Tubeless thing on this bike:

    A Tubeless tire can be run with or without a tube. The main difference with a Tubeless design is that the sidewalls are a bit thicker to make up for no tube being present. However, the F800GS rims are a Tube-Type rim. The spokes run down the center of the rim, making running no tubes not an option. All that's going on here is they're putting tubes in a 'Tubeless' tire. Again, no biggy.

    Tube-Type rim on F800GS:
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    Tubeless-Type rim on R1200GSA:

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    On an R12GSA like the one above, the spokes go to the outside of the tire bead, making a sealed cavity.
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  15. Firefight911

    Firefight911 Been here awhile

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    If you are having difficulty finding a 'V' rated tire, use the 'H'. It won't cause any issues.

    The 'V' and 'H' are speed ratings. 'V' = 149 mph sustained. 'H' = 130 mph sustained.

    I've run 'H' and 'V' Anakees on my old R12GS Adv and not had any issues whatsoever.

    Plus, I'd like to see you do 130 mph sustained on your F800GS!!!!!
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  16. Bike4Fun

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  17. eakins

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    is the tubeless tube difference the sideway construction?

    i understood it to be the shape & sealing ability of the bead area. tubeless tires are dseigned for proper sealing whereas tube type tires would leak some air. making the bead area tubeless raises the cost.

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  18. The Griz

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    Nah, the bead's no different. Natural rubber, or polyisoprene is the basic elastomer used in tire making, which is what is used in a regular tube-type tire. Air will slowly pass through a regular tube-type tire if used in a tubeless application. This is due to the natural chemical make-up of rubber. Halobutyl rubber is used for the tubeless inner liner compounds, because of its low air permeability. When you add the internal surface layer of halobutyl, it makes it impermeable, and therefore a tubeless tire. That aside, the main difference is still in the rim itself. The spokes running down the middle would leak air on a tube-type rim.

    In summary the three characteristics of a tubeless wheel setup are:
    1) the tubeless type rim
    2) the inner Halobutyl impermeable layer of the tubeless tire
    3) tire greater wall thickness of the tubeless tire
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  19. BackRoader

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    My F800 came with Battle Wings, however I did note the at a bike in the show room (later on in the season) had Perelli Scorpions.
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  20. DidYouSeeThat

    DidYouSeeThat Uhhhh... Where?

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    Ok... Wow, that was a blast from the past. I have 7000+ miles now and was thinking.. hmmm what to try next. My guess is you guys have out traveled me and already made a tire swap... What did ya get and how do you like em?

    When you swapped how'd the bearings look?... I scared the crap out of myself reading the Bearing Failure stuff... Yikes!!!

    Thanks
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