F800GS vs. KTM 990 Adventure

Discussion in 'Parallel Universe' started by Pantah, Sep 11, 2011.

  1. Whele

    Whele Adventurer

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    Surely to label any bike as a hooligan is just wrong, it the way it is riden. When I was 16 I was a bigger hooligan on an FS1E than I am now on the 990Adv. The only drawback is your face starts to ache after 4 hours of grinnng
  2. kruk

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    So maybe I will tell you about my experience with F800GS ;)
    Got it with 2000miles on the clock 2011model. all possible extras fitted. In may I took it for my Georgia (around black sea) trip all together 8000miles. On a motorways it was basically to slow for me and very poor wind / weather protection, even with MRA tall touring screen, over 70mph vibrations and wind take the whole pleasure of riding. But motorways is not the environment for the bike. so lets talk about offroad ;) In Georgia after 25miles of not too hard offroad at 2200m.a.s.l the rear shock absorber broken down - oil leak. so back down hill with no oil only on the spring. cutting story short no one could fix it in georgia, bmw uk advised me to get to ukraine and get it fixed in Odessa bmw dealer, after 3 days and 500pounds i got to the dealer, a man in the service was quite nice, I explained him what's the problem and his respond was: that's not a problem we can order the shock absorber for you, should be with us in 3 weeks, so what do we do? :huh 3week?!! bla bla bla got it working temporally and in uk got it replaced on a warranty but now got some engine problems, sometimes it sound like 2 stroke but not every time, because the fault is intermittent it is difficult to fix it as every time i take it to the dealer it does work ok!:cry
    so now waiting to save some money and getting new 990 adventure in march 2013
    anyone interested in buying amazing f800gs? ;)
  3. Snowy

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    Pretty much what I thought.



    and KLRs are only any good as boat anchors. You may as well buy one of those Indian made Enfields. :lol3
  4. kruk

    kruk n00b

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    so now anyone who wants to get new KTM 990adv got only few more months to get them as introducing 1200adv means end of 990adv production!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cry
    It looks like KTM made the same mistake as Honda replacing Africa Twin with Varadero

    WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!
  5. Snowy

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    The trouble is that you make a bike that suits the true off road rider, and everyone else (who incidentally make up most of the owners) complain that they aren't "user friendly" and that they are tricky to ride.

    Because the average rider is very average at riding.

    I'm not for a second implying that I'm anything but average. Just making a case for the extinction of a entire category of bike.

    Sportsbikes have been morphed into high performance tourers, then into "Adventure bikes" instead of morphing big bore trail bikes and Safari Raid bikes into more capable long range tourers.

    The key manufactuers are using their high volume powerplants and chassis arrangements and trying to satisfy a wider market. It makes more economic sense than designing something from the ground up.
  6. xcflyn

    xcflyn Long timer

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    Not sure- BUT- I had heard they are not going to discontinue the 990, just add the 1190 to the list ?
    Even if they do , many of the more road traveler types will buy the bigger and sell their 990's, so they will still be out there on the used market for those who prefer a "small :D" adventure bike.
    Said it a million times, when KTM puts out the 700-800cc twin adventure bike, it will be the game changer, for now their focus is going to be put to grabbing the bigger adventure bike market.
  7. kruk

    kruk n00b

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    this is what one of the ktm dealers sent me:
    Hi Peter

    I would say that the 990 ADV will be sold out in march next year ,

    I could get you one now and sell you the bike at 0% finance as long as you don't want to borrow more than £5000

    Please give me a call and we can discuss


    and that's a quote from different forum:

    "Well Gentlemen - I just recently had a chat to the head of KTM Switzerland and I am sorry to inform you, that the days of our beloved 950/990 are numbered. KTM already stoped manufacturing the 950/990 Adventure. The same goes for the SM-T. Both bikes will be available as long they have them stocked in their warehouse."
  8. Brown Town

    Brown Town Been here awhile

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    Thought I loved my F800GS until I bought my 990 Baja. There's really no comparing the two stock. Candy apples and oranges. :D
  9. Tikka Man

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    It's all about stacking the odds in your favor. On the pavement any of these big 800cc -1 liter bikes is fine, but you can't go fast on the street for any duration without getting a ticket so additional STREET performance is a non issue. These bikes also suck for going fast on slab due to their dual sport tires etc.

    However on dirt roads, logging roads, power line trails, or 2 track these bikes are all way too big and heavy to be easy to ride unless you are very talented. So, the smart thing to do is to make some compromises on the street, to get the BEST of the bunch on the dirt, and that is a KTM 990 without question. Every major Dual Sport Shootout review all comes to the same conclusion, this is the best bike off road.

    I recently did the the Trans Lab Highway with my wife on my old BMW F650 GS Dakar and a friend on a new F800 GS. I was easily able to travel at 90 mph in loose freshly graded dirt for hundreds on miles on bike that was fully loaded with camping gear. I'm no great rider by any means but the KTM made up for my lack of skill. On the pavement no issues with 5,000 miles covered in 11 days. I'm originally a BMW guy, having gone to Baja on my old thumper, but the KTM platform is undeniably the better dirt choice.

    Now the argument that most folks don't understand is that most of us do 90% of our big dual sport riding on slab so mistakenly think that a machine that is built around a slab baised platform makes more sense. I agree with the percent of time most of us ride on pavement but IMHO the real thing to consider is that since most of us typically don't ride enough dirt to be any good at it, we need all the help we can get when we are on the dirt and that means KTM is the comfortable place to land.
  10. Brown Town

    Brown Town Been here awhile

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    In summary, it's much easier to ride a dirt bike on the street than it is to ride a street bike on the dirt. :D
  11. Tikka Man

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    Now if you get the BMW F650 GS Dakar or Sertao this things rule on more technical stuff, but you have to do major suspension upgrades to make it good. If you can find a used F650 GS at a good deal these are the must have upgrades:

    TOURTECH handle bar risers
    TOURTECH foot peg relocation kit
    Crass bars
    Hand guards with METAL not just plastic
    TOURTECH progressive front spring upgrade
    Olin's rear shock and spring upgrade

    BTW you will need the same upgrades on the BMW F800, only the KTM is fine from the factory.
  12. Brown Town

    Brown Town Been here awhile

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    In all seriousness, I'm in the middle of a slab trip from Mexico to Canada and a day in I stopped at an OHV park with my 990 Baja and spent six solid hours putting it through the ringer. The nice thing about riding in a park is the great diversity of terrain in close proximity, from mundane to insane...I dropped it more than a dozen times, chucked it off the trail down a hill once, got thrown off it several times, jumped it, ran it up some fairly steep hill climbs...and then spent the next two days riding up the coast in a nasty storm...it chews up whatever I throw at it. Dare I ask more from a dual sport? I'm very sad the platform is disappearing.
  13. raider

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    I understand your point here, but I think a lot of people misunderstand the design philosophy of the BMW GS range - at least, the range since the oil head. These are travel motorcycles, intended primarily for getting from Place A to Place B via Interesting Place Z. If the road between them is a rutted, washed-out track that only hardy locals and their hardier Honda 125 step-throughs use, then your GS will take this abuse in a manner your FJR1300 might not.

    If, however, your requirements of your bike include specific, deliberately-chosen technical off-road riding, you will never be happy with any GS as your only bike. You'd be better off with a WR450 and an Airhawk. Or a KTM Adventure R, which is basically two WR450s with an Airhawk.
  14. HoloHolo

    HoloHolo 2 wheels !!!!

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    Help talk me out of this purchase.

    I currently have this, which I have made as dirt friendly as possible, without changing suspension, yet
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    But I just found this, 200 miles, basically brand new
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    Help !

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  15. Capt CF

    Capt CF Pontificating Nobody

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    Easy. Do you like riding or trailering to the shop? :)
  16. murph76

    murph76 Been here awhile

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    fugly.... get the 1190 which looks like a big 800gs or buy suspension for gs and save money
  17. HoloHolo

    HoloHolo 2 wheels !!!!

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    Please explain?

    I haven't has any issues with the bmw. Yet?


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  18. Ducksbane

    Ducksbane Quaaack!!!

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    I don't think he meant the BMW with that comment! :D
  19. Ducksbane

    Ducksbane Quaaack!!!

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    Seriously ... Have you taken the 990 for a ride?, some of them can have fueling which is "challenging". Probably all right if you keep the revs up and the throttle pinned at all times, but more than a bit annoying for some of us ... including me. The 950 had carburettors and didn't have this problem. Despite a few problems with the air filter the 1190 seems a good bike and has beautiful fueling.
  20. Capt CF

    Capt CF Pontificating Nobody

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    Yep. I have a F700GS and a '14 690. The 700 gets ridden daily and has never seen a shop outside of scheduled service. I have owned the 690 for 8 weeks and 3 of those have been spent in the shop. It's there now with no ETA on a fix and is approaching the criteria for a lemon law claim. Who gives a shit how offroad capable it is when it can't even stay working long enough to make it out of the driveway. :)