F800GS VS. Super Tenere

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by ggamster, Mar 23, 2012.

  1. cug

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    As always (broken record): if you want an oversized dirt bike that can do some road, get the F800GS, if you want an oversized road bike that can do some dirt, get the Tenere.
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  2. GrahamD

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    The S10 for the same money.

    At the same they are not exactly the same kind of bike. So read and research. I do a fair amount of dirt road, a few miles of crappy non roads to get to places. It's all good on the S10. But if I was seeking out crappy roads to play on all the time and they weren't too far away I may have gone with an 800cc size bike, but not for the same price if you get mt drift.
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  3. cug

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    You mean you would choose the bike less suited for what you do just because you think it's the overall better value for what others do with them? Beats me, I don't get your drift ... :lol3

    On the other hand, between these two I would choose the Tenere easily if they are the same price. But that's because both fit my riding and my "wish list" probably with the same number of "points" if I just add them up.

    In the end I chose neither because there was a bike that fit me even better than the dirt bike F800GS, or the land barge Super Tenere (I don't care where the weight is, it was 50kg more than I wanted at the time ...). I wanted lighter and smoother. Have a Tiger Roadie now. But I would likely be nearly as happy with a Tenere, just for different reasons (heavy with shaft vs lighter with chain, comfort vs handling, indestructible reliability vs smooth and lovely engine).

    There are so many reason to choose one or the other even for the same price that I think none of us can answer that for the other guy.
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  4. GrahamD

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    Let me put it another way. There are BMW's and there are better value bikes out there, where I live.

    I wouldn't buy an F800 where I live because they just are not worth the price of entry. Does that explain it a little better.

    Hence an S10 rather than a more popular model of 1200cc bike. The F800 is not exactly what I was looking for and especially not at a similar price as an S10. There are other 650-800cc bikes out there if I was going that way.

    Clearer now?
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  5. cug

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    I don't think I misunderstood you. I was just pulling your leg about something that I thought didn't make sense and I also thought you didn't really mean it that way.

    BMW certainly has a price. In some countries it's so bad it's not even worth thinking about. In the US they certainly are more expensive than most but I also think they offer more than most - at least if you are into gadgets. And I am.

    I had a BMW F800GS and I wasn't really happy with it. Overall quality was fairly poor, certainly not up to my expectations from a BMW. The F series isn't comparable to the R series and while they are much less expensive they are so much cheaper built that I have a hard time recommending them. My Tiger's quality is much closer to the R1200GS I had than to the F.

    So, as said before, I can see your point and between the wo I'd also get the Tenere. Fortunately there were other bikes o the market that I liked more. The Tenere is an awesome bike and in the US an absolute price hit, I might even get one in addition to my Tiger - though they are too close in usage for that to make sense. But, fortunately again - it doesn't have to make sense, just fun.
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  6. llamapacker

    llamapacker Mr. Conservative

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    On the suspension question. We shoot for around 60mm on sag. I am 180 lbs, ran the OEM springs/shock with all preload off on forks, and tuned the compression and rebound (don't recall what I ended up with on clicks). The shock was probably like 70mm sag for best ride, then crank it up for 2up.

    The fork springs are dual rate, and will be pretty harsh when you run out of the softer part which is about 3" travel.

    Lots more info on the yamahasupertenere.com forum.
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  7. Mk5mike

    Mk5mike Been here awhile

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    Is a 800gs really that much of a "dirt" bike compared to a super tenere? They both them like long haul adventure bikes to me. I know the r1200gs is the king of the bunch but I can bring my self to get a bike that almost costs more then my car
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    pluric Gimpy Adventurer

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    :huh Let's just say it's still royalty.:wink::D
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    Ride both and you'll know. There is roughly a 60kg weight difference between the two. That means my wife riding the F800GS weighs less than the Tenere sitting in the corner ... also the 21" front wheel and the narrow overall profile, the low underseat fuel tank, ... so, yes, the F800GS is much closer to a dirt bike than the Tenere.

    Depends on how you define that. It's definitely the king in sales and gadgets. I never had trouble with mine and I loved the features (that aren't even available on the Tenere), and the standard GS is still about 20kg lighter than the Tenere.

    I think they serve different customers, and slightly different requirements. Both are superb bikes, but when you talk about integration of comfort features, Yamaha has done a pretty poor job. They delivered a plain vanilla, no nonsense "Big Trailie" type bike. The BMW has the integration of features much better under control. As said, different targets. Both bikes can do the same things, I don't think anybody can say (honestly) one is better than the other - they have different strengths and integration levels.

    My opinion: BMW has the issue of trying to be too fancy and sometimes falling short with it, Yamaha has the issue of being not fancy at all sometimes to the point of being ridiculous (hand warmer controls). Just my personal view.
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    It depends what has brocken and fallen off on the ride. At the beginning a bit better, by half way into a good ride the rattles and cracks are usually worrying the rider, by the end it depends on how fast you can push it. :lol3

    Yes that was an exaggeration of the facts. Some people may see it as a small one and some will get all upset.

    I was just amusing myself. :deal
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  11. GrahamD

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    Sorry but you obviously haven't noticed that the "steam punk" trend is very fashionable lately. :deal

    Anyway, I thought the ABS/UBS, TC and SYMMETRICAL FRIGGEN Headlights and no stoopid beak were a nice touch. All standard at the same price point as the unobtainable standard GS.

    But I do agree that the YAMAHA was designed with a few things and the accessories were "sourced" where the BMW aims for the $50,000 price points and leaves things out as you go "down" the price points.

    Just my opinion of course. :D
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  12. cug

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    Ah, but that's only for Tenere owners that previously had a KLR ... :rofl
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  13. GrahamD

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    I suppose that's why I never bought them :hmmmmm
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    The F800 is better in the dirt. Hands down. Ridden both and they are very different. Both are good bikes however.
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    If you are a "Commuter sight see er with two up on occasion" I would say without a doubt the Super Tenere. I liked that bike better than any other big bike I have had. I had two F800gs and they just don't compare. The Super Tenere outshined that bike in every way. I know for sure it is faster, smoother, more stable, the traction control was better, the ABS was better, I loved the bike on mild off-road. I can't think of a way that it failed to the GS in any other way than fuel economy. Buy the Super Tenere. Yamaha of Southern IL has my old one for 11,000 I think.
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  16. Mk5mike

    Mk5mike Been here awhile

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    Thanks all for the advice.
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  17. Wreckchecker

    Wreckchecker Ungeneer to broked stuff.

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    +1
    As a commuter, sight see'r, occasional distance rider, and regular 2-ups, the Tenere on Heidenau K60 tires is hard to beat. And for all of those, I have ZERO interest in going back to a chain.

    For more dirt in the mix and more mud, the Triumph would be great.
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  18. Superstar

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    Does the fact that I have no desire to ever muck with a chain on any motorcycle ever again make me old?
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  19. pluric

    pluric Gimpy Adventurer

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    No. Just shows you have gained wisdom.

    That being said wisdom comes with age so yes, you are an old fossil. Sorry.
    Just that misery loves company.:wink:
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    Nope, it just makes you lazy. But I can sooooo feel with you. I'm even contemplating converting my Tiger to belt. Stupid idea, I know, but I like the Tiger, and a belt would make it better ...
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