Fatality Facts: Motorcycles

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  1. freaking RT

    freaking RT will golf for food

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    We have had how many BBS brothers and sisters go down so far this year??? Boyscout, Chopperman, Chadhargis, Denisesewa and ??? :confused

    Pep had a recent close call. Steve had a close call up on Shenandoah Mountain one day. I had a close call on some slick stuff in KY.

    this is from Highwaysafety.org

    http://www.highwaysafety.org/safety_facts/fatality_facts/motorcyl.htm

    be careful out there boys and girls!!!
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  2. Baldy

    Baldy Site Owner Administrator

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    Great article. Made me wince to read it. :arg I added it to the hall of wisdom.

    I didn't realize 41% of deaths come from running off the road on our own.... And the next biggest was riding at night drunk.
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  3. Steverino

    Steverino Arrogant Horse's Ass #1

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    From the person that brought is Death Row Vittles!

    Good find Freak. So wear a helmet, don't drink :doh, and don't ride between 6 PM and 3 AM Friday to Sunday. That will increase your odds of not getting killed while riding.

    I love statistics. :snore
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  4. Dutchman

    Dutchman Diskussionsleiter

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    Good article, Freakmeister..................:(:
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  5. jocflier

    jocflier Dammit, that hurt...

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    Yep;

    The whole thing is a bummer..This is just the start of the spring fever riding season here around the bay area and we have already lost 5 in a 50 mile circle around the area..:cry

    God speed and peace be with your loved ones you left behind..

    Joc
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  6. AJ2

    AJ2 Master of the Universe

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    Hmmm, 41% runs off road, it doesn't specify if some cellphone-toting Excursion-driving piece of shit runs you off the road. It's actually somewhat comforting that many of the fatalities involve DWI and/or unlicensed(I'm assuming this implies either lack of experience or lack of ability to keep a license) riders.
    I'm more concerned about accidents caused by others' carelessness and incompetence. If I have a dozen beers and go ride in the rain in the dark and crash into a tree, well, don't shed any tears.
    I find the NHTSA stats to generally demonstrate that reasonably responsible riding is safer than most non-riders I know believe.
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  7. Rad

    Rad Done riding

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    Bald one, you are right on. I find the trend very disturbing because both of these are totally preventable. :(: I find I can't stress this enough when I teach the MSF basic course.
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  8. Chopperman

    Chopperman I am dead

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    well I want to see that 41% broken down further.

    As mentioned, how many are run off the road?
    how many run off due to panic amneuvers in an emergency situation?
    how many due to fatigue?
    how many due to squid factor?

    as usual the whole story sin't presented.
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  9. ShaftEd

    ShaftEd Long timer

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    Well, I guess I kind of fit that chart pretty good(even though it wasn't a fatality, thank goodnes). Here I am a daily commuter in SoCal, and I was sure my big crash was gonna be from some cellphone SUV driver on the way to work, but no, my "big" crash 2 years ago was a single vehicle accident, where I ran off the road on a Saturday, on a road that I have traveled hundreds of times with no problem. Trying to push the limit on my latest wammy-jammy race replica sportbike. In other words total "squid factor".:bash
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  10. Arbey Canuck

    Arbey Canuck Ageless Adventurer

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    Thanks for the fact ... Freak.

    Not surprising at all. I imagine if one was to look at totals over the last 20 yrs ... the trends and percentages would be pretty much the same.

    Motorcycling is a RISK taking proposition ... PERIOD!!!!! While circumstances outside a riders control add to fatality numbers ... we the riders ... are the number one contributor!!!!!!

    Speaking personally ... having been on the roads for 30+ yrs ... I'd like to think common sense, an ever increasing trend of wisdom & maturity and meticulous upkeep of my bikes are the major reasons I'm still riding. However ... considering it only takes one single moment in time to put you onto the fatality list ... and my potential moments over the years ... to numerous to count (though the 3 positive points have always dominated my approach) ... it is with gratitude that I understand quite simply ... that my number has not come up yet ... end of story!!!!!!!

    It is with this understanding that I ride on ... even more motivated to do all I can to make the difference in any given situation ... always learning & experiencing in the pursuit of greater riding wisdom and maturity!!!!

    Finally ... every time I throw a leg over ... I accept the fact that ... no matter how wise and mature I've become ... motorcycling is STILL ... a risk taking proposition!!!! I'm okay with that however. Riding one of fundemental processes that provides oxygen to my blood ... and to not do so ... I would be half dead already!!!!!!!!!!
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  11. Killen

    Killen Been here awhile

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    It only takes one mistake.

    Good information to read before the weekend and all the summer riding. It could happen any day and any way. With or without a motorcycle. We all take risks by riding...but we all have passion for the ride. It helps define our FUN and recreation. I'm a confident but conservative rider and the one quote that Eddy gives me shit about has kept me safe for many miles.

    "It's not about Speed"....Killen

    Ride Safe
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  12. Vic'ious

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    Nothing like cold hard facts to help keep Complacency at bay...YMMV:):

    Ride Safe
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  13. RockyRaccoon

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    It would be interesting to have access to the raw data to do some number crunching. It looks like if you make it past age 44, wear a helmet, don't ride much at night, avoid DUI, and spend most of your time on freeways and minor roads, your odds increase quite dramatically. Too bad there aren't figures by brand of bike, use of protective gear (beyond a helmet) and graduation from safety school. I'd be willing to bet one could get the odds down quite close to the auto average with the right profile. (Sound of knocking on wood.)
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  14. Baldy

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    I do believe there is an upside to this... Since I resumed motorcycling over the last few years, 3 of my dearest friends (all fathers) died in car wrecks. That and the horrible statistics with motorcycles have driven me to read the books, take the classes, think about traffic patterns, visibility, etc., and I believe I'm a far safer cage pilot than I ever was before.

    I was a driver for UPS for a few years and they made us take some defensive driving classes at the time, but I didn't take them seriously. Now I do.

    Like kurt, I've tried to figure out the odds and I think I'm even with cars now on a bike, and far better behind the wheel.

    Ben and I were taking a Taxi in Stavanger, Norway, in frenentic traffic and as usual I struck up a conversation with the driver. He was 65 and had been driving a cab 47 years--two of them in England on the wrong side of the road. No accidents. Nada. Zip. Not a fender bender. I asked how he did it. His answer: I back off.

    It can be done.
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  15. fish

    fish Banned

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    What happened to Chadhargis?
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  16. Chopperman

    Chopperman I am dead

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    hey you forgot me! :wave
    I bit some pavement! first time in 6-7 years!
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    Steverino Arrogant Horse's Ass #1

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  18. fish

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    Thanks Steve. Bummer. I'm glad it wasn't more serious. I've ridden the Cherohala, and it's a FAST road. Deceptively so...wouldn't you agree Steve?

    Some big lessons for everybody here. The ones I pick up on:

    • Ride your own ride. Sounds like he went in over his head and got brainlock.
    • Don't wear shitty gloves. We've had several threads about this on ADVrider, and I even got smacked around on MRN for suggesting that those neoprene gloves are bad news when you crash.
    • I guess the same goes for jacket/pants. I'm not familiar with the Joe Rocket stuff, but it looks like the jacked did pretty well. Those pants just shredded...yikes!
    • Slow down. It's not a race. It's not worth throwing your beautiful bike away (or worse) just to gain a couple more mph through a turn. This is a hard one for me, but I think I'm getting it now.

    Chad, if you're reading this...thanks for writing up your experience, and I hope you're able to get back in the saddle soon.

    :beer
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  19. freaking RT

    freaking RT will golf for food

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    thank you. it has been corrected.
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  20. BWS

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    When and where you ride.Example:Labor day w/end at the beach prolly isn't the best place to be on a bike.Or Daytona during bike week.

    Lane positioning,being in the right place at the right time can all but eliminate dumbfuck cager problems.

    Your initial training will usually build habits that right or wrong will stick with you.

    Here is prolly the most important safety tip,slow the fuck down.Repeat this while riding/strafing:Why am I in a hurry.........
    to kill myself?And,if you can't get that strafing manuever down perfect while going slow,how the fuck do you expect to get it right at warp 10?
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