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Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Achtung, Nov 3, 2008.
Yeah, a "flash mob" is a group of people who show up at a predetermined location and do something random. In this case a group of 20 people who showed up at the monument and started dancing. Still an organized demonstration. They're intended to draw attention by interrupting normal use of a space because they're intended to appear spontaneous. I don't know where you got your quote or information, but they make a LOT of inferences rather then statements based on fact (how can they know they did it to celebrate his birthday and not because the monument was more likely to be busy on that day?). Hell, even if it was a birthday observation, it still needs approval, regardless of the banality of the actions.
Fine, even if it WAS a public forum, Grayned v. Rockford still allow for restrictions on activities which are not compatible with the use of the space. Hell without it can you imagine a "freedom of speech" protest that blocked the entrance to a military base? Or even just blocked a street? I imagine if you were the one waiting in the traffic jam you'd appreciate the fact that the police have the authority to intervene in "freedom of speech" at that point. Hell, there are so many exceptions to freedom of speech that apply here it's not even funny. Freedom of speech does not apply to speech which causes others to commit illegal acts (Brandenburg v. Ohio. and Schenck v. United States I think). In which case Kokesh dancing, and inciting others to do so, is NOT protected by the 1st amendment.
And the constitution is a living document, it changes to suit the needs of a society, or maybe you'd rather we still had slavery and prohibition? Or perhaps the articles of confederation instead of the constitution? Saying that something is "made up" is irrelevant, because everything was made at some point or another.
Excuse me, I quoted that from memory, and I forgot it wasn't a supreme court case. It does not make the case ANY less valid, as I am sure someone tried to push it to the supreme court, and they found it valid enough that it did not require their review.
Do some research into use of force before you say any more. Police officers are authorized to use any force reasonable and necessary in order to do their job. (Graham v Conner is the most relevant) The officer told Kokesh to stop, he didn't, then attempted to walk away when he was under arrest. The officer took him down and arrested him. It was textbook. When the guy came in and grabbed Kokesh he was being actively resistant, and at that point the officers could have used personal weapons (ie, strikes, etc) against him. He was actively interfering with the officers who were just doing their job. No one else resisted and they were all simply handcuffed and sat down.
They shut it down due to Kokesh actions, that's the true rights violation here. As for allowing the protesters to go home, you're saying Police should choose which laws they enforce just because someone may not like it? Sorry, no.
Would you really want free reign for whoever felt like it organizing a demonstration in the memorials with no regulations what so ever? You'd never get within 100 yards of the memorials they would be so full of idiots spouting off nonsense. Hell, the sidewalks in DC were bad enough the last time I was there, let alone the zoo the monuments would be. I'd like to be able to enjoy the monuments without interference, what about you?
What about the two year time period between the upholding of the ban and the protest by Kokesh? If it wasn't just a publicity stunt why did he wait so long? Did you know that this coincided with his new radio show? Probably not. How about this, Kokesh, the champion of free speech, has a TV show on a Russian STATE OWNED television channel. They chop up his show and use soundbites to suit their needs. Sounds like freedom of speech takes a backseat to the almighty dollar for Mr. Kokesh.
And I'll give you this last one: Freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to falsely shout fire in a crowded theater, right? Wrong, you can shout it ALL YOU WANT, you just have to be prepared to deal with the consequences. Kokesh shouted fire, and the consequences were he got arrested.
Really, it's just dancing:huh...can we get back to our regularly scheduled program?
Yeah, it's not like they were disrupting the Wisconsin State Assembly building for 2 weeks... or giving the "I Have A Dream Speech"... or sitting down at a lunch counter in Selma... oh wait, those weren't First Amendment issues at all.
Nothing to worry about, they're only rounding up a few Jews!
You're going to compare a douchbag like Kokesh to Dr. Martin Luther King? Or a bunch of idiots in a "flash mob" to the oppression of an entire ethnic group, or better yet the SIX MILLION Jews who were murdered by the Nazi's?
Have some perspective, please.
Oh...I must be on the wrong thread..........sorry!!!
I waz looking for some cool videos!
Douchebags and civil rights leaders are equal under the eyes of the law.
on a much lighter note...
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take it somewhere else. This isn't the place.
Sorry, I know it was a crappy vid. I'll refrian next time.
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Awesome!!!! Laugh out loud funny. must watch again!
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This one may have already been posted not sure
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I'm not sure the sky is blue today....maybe I'll get up and look out the window......nah
I think i just pooped a little.....:huh
Helluva way to commute to work eh?
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If we're going with Top Gear I think this is the funniest Top Gear clip I have ever seen.