Few Europe Questions

Discussion in 'EMEA' started by eightup, Oct 16, 2012.

  1. eightup

    eightup Been here awhile

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    So I am in the process of planning a tripe to Europe, Russia, and maybe a few other places. I am trying to do this as cheaply as possible so I can travel as long as possible (sounds good in theory). So a few things:

    I know stealth camping is pretty popular here in the US. How are the options for it overseas? Still just as easy?

    I would like to do a lot of fishing to provide free and good meals. I'm in no rush to get anywhere so why not stop and cast a line for a while. How are the regulations for fishing over there? Similar to the US?

    If anyone else has some tips or tricks to toss out, I am all ears. Thanks guys!
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  2. Rudl

    Rudl Panthera tigris alpina

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    It depends :D

    "Stealth" Camping: Allowed in some countries (e.g. Northern Europe, Romania), not so in other contries. But if you keep a low profile (not in towns, not in touristy areas, don't litter,..), you probably won't run into much trouble. Just be aware that it's crowded over here, so that low profile thing might need some experience getting realized.
    :wink:

    Fishing: I guess regulations vary big time all over Europe, e.g. here in Austria it's regulated by provincial law and depends on the owner of the lake/pond/river and we are a small country. But don't expect to be able to just go to river and fish. Usually you need to obtain some kind of licence somewhere locally and finding where to get that in each of the places you stay might just be prohibitive time-wise so I won't bother taking the gear along.
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  3. wheatwhacker

    wheatwhacker It's raining here

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    I have plenty of space for camping or a sofa to sleep on in Ireland beside a nice fishing town. If your willing to work, we may keep you for the summer.
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  4. eightup

    eightup Been here awhile

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    That would be awesome PM sent.
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  6. nickguzzi

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    There is a thread about wild camping. Not completely error free, so as a guide - untrustworthy advice is no advice.
    The words in Rudi's post#2 are about as good as it gets. You may be left alone, or asked to leave or even have the police called. If you always ask first, then it will avoid a scene - you don't want to be run over by tractor set on gps and the driver reading his texts. That will always leave a bad taste.

    In the UK angling/fishing is highly regulated everywhere and rights jealously guarded.
    The sea shore may be OK.
    In the other bits of Europe I know, there are waters which are owned and maintained for individuals or clubs and associations strictly for themselves, and then other places where it is OK. You will need to find out where ever you are.
    Western Europe also has rules about returning fish as over fishing and pollution have not always been well controlled in the past.
    Further east, things get more laissez faire. And the rivers get bigger.

    Most of Europe is nothing like the US. Laws, customs and habits.
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  7. Johann

    Johann commuterus tankslapperus

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    If you camp in a field with planted crops or anywhere that an accident like that could possibly happen then Darwin will take care of you.

    There are very few places in Europe where there is a legal right to camp wild. Scotland, Norway and Sweden have free wild camping enshrined in law. For most of the rest of Europe it is a grey area. Avoid busy tourist areas, designated national parks, private land and if in doubt and it is possible ask a landowner, or at very least ask the locals in a nearby bar/cafe what the local situation is, exercise common sense, set up at dusk, leave at dawn, leave no trace and you mitigate most of the risk. I´ve wild camped all over Europe because staying in a hotel simply wasn´t an option.

    Google population density in Europe, the areas with the lowest density are fertile ground, the worst areas IME are England (avoid outside Dartmoor), Germany, low countries and Austria. The best countries by far are Romania and Bulgaria. The Carpathians are different, one of the few areas in Europe with a population of wild bears.

    Very low population density in most of the Iberian peninsula, especially inland. Always operate on the theory that somebody has seen you no matter how remote the area and you won´t be far wrong. Fires are illegal between March and October in Portugal and probably Spain as well. To be on the safe side avoid fires altogether, it is a very sensitive subject, wildfires are a big problem in the summer in S Europe.

    At no point have I had a negative experience (apart from being kept awake by a nightclub and woken up at dawn by sand cleaners). All the interactions I´ve had with Police in Spain they were only interested in making sure I was moving on the next day.

    In many countries (including Spain) you are possibly liable to a fine if the Police take a dislike to you. Personally I don´t enjoy staying in hotels and don´t go to bed at 9pm so don´t want to disturb people in campsites so stealth camping works for me. I´ve woken up to some beautiful sites, raging white water, waterfalls, and equally some less than ideal locations in laybys but at no point did I ever feel remotely in danger. If you are camping near trucks doing a tacho layover walk over and say hello, offer them a coffee or a cig and make friends, they make good neighbours. In France on the toll motorways (Péage) there are big service stations every 30/40km or small rest areas (Aires) in between. I´ve camped in both many times when hoofing through France and have yet to die.

    In France campsites are often very good value, especially Camping Municipals. They are often in very central locations in most towns/cities and are normally very well run and clean. Sometimes they are in prime locations. I normally camp for free for two to three nights then have a night in a campsite with shower and washing facilities depending on the time of year an where I am at the time.

    Short version: as stated in post 2, it depends.
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  8. Mark Manley

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    You might want to consider how long you want to spend on your own before embarking on a presumably solo long term trip which centres around spending as little money as possible. If you are normally a solitary person it will not be a problem but if you like to have company it will become rather lonely after a while as most socialising while on the road is done in campsites, hotels and backpacker hostels. There are work for accommodation schemes such as workaway and wwoofing which you migh find useful to help stretch a limited budget.
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  10. DeGraafvanSalland

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    Eh....
    I just realised that we're all replying to a post from 2012!!
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  11. Johann

    Johann commuterus tankslapperus

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    Good spot! Wonder if he ever went ahead with his trip?
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  12. nickguzzi

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    This so called, self asserted "comprehensive" list gets quoted now and again, and if you are thousands of miles away it may seem reasonable, but there are errors of fact and errors of assumption.

    The problem of asking and its OK for example, how do you know who to ask? The owner may be miles away. They may be so far away to not notice, they may not give a shit. But they might, and they may get ratty about it. And surely trawling around for an owner - even just anybody - sort of defeats the point of wild camping.

    In England and Wales, the concept of un-owned land does not exist. Some one, some where does own it. The govt, the crown, the church, are the biggest land owners, and they will not grant permission.
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  13. Johann

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    I have wild camped in England but in general I would say it is not worth it. As nickguzzi says there is little to no common land in England, the chances of a representative of the National Trust/Forestry commission turning up and telling you to move on is high. There are spots in Wales that are better than others (parts of the Black Mountains, Brecons etc) but if you don´t have local knowledge you are unlikely to be able to find likely spots. Finding a campsite is a more sensible option. This is why in England/Wales asking permission if possible should IMHO always be the default position. England does seem to have a prodigious ability to employ an army of minor officials who relish exercising what little authority a uniform and a name badge gives them.

    There is simply no definitive answer in mainland Europe. Different administrative regions in the same country will have different rules, the idea of putting together a definitive list together is impossible. This is where common sense and an ability to judge an area comes into play.

    Sometimes the right thing to do is camp in plain sight (like in laybys). By doing that you tend to create an instant SEP field. High viz gear also helps create an SEP field. By being too stealthy it can sometimes make it look as if you have something to hide. I really don´t see any problem with putting up a tent, sleeping, then moving on. If you were driving a car you would have the option of pulling over to sleep. Once again common sense applies.

    http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Somebody_Else's_Problem_field
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  14. nickguzzi

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    Common land in England and Wales was abolished by the Enclosures Acts in the 18thC. Every bit of land is owned by someone, none of it is "owned in common" in the sense it was in the Medieval period. It may be a collective ownership or a joint responsibility like the New Forest, but I do think they take umbridge if you tried camping there.

    I have no finger in the pie. I neither own land likely to be used in this way or even have any sort of holidays in the UK. I have spent the last 40 years travelling across Europe at every opportunity, spreading what little money I have with people who bother to provide resources for my convenience, it's how they earn their living.

    Anyway, in the East and North there are suitable places. Better fishing too.
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  15. Panny

    Panny motorcycle vagabond

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    I agree in all points!

    We bushcamped in many European countries, no matter if it is allowed or not, but you have to be sensible.
    National parks are to be avoided everywhere.

    And be very careful in Kroatia. Bush camping is illegal over there and at least at the coast it´s enforced savagely. You get arrested and express judged at the police station: 150 EUR per person.
    But in the Hinterland it should be no problem.

    Greetings from Germany

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  16. Panny

    Panny motorcycle vagabond

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    But on the positive side that includes no "trepassers will be shot" signs.

    Cheers

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  17. Panny

    Panny motorcycle vagabond

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    You mention Russia, Eightup.
    It´s Europe but a bit different.
    We just been up at the arctic circle and beyond.
    Bush camping up there is as easy or difficult as in northern Canada or Alaska. It´s not that easy to find a clearing in the woods. Plus it´s massivly moskito infested - at least if you go around the midsummernight (app. 21st of June). But at that time of the year you have the white nights = non stop daylight up there.
    Same in Finnland and Norway but these two countries are FAR more expensive (fuel 3times, alcolhol even more).

    Cheers

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  18. MichaelJ

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    You missed the other sign: "Survivors will be shot again". :evil
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