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Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by GreyThumper, Jul 28, 2016.
I find the 30 liter a better fit. The 40 makes it more difficult to open the pannier lids.
If anyone is in vegas and wants to see what this bags look like on a gsa in person, the local dealer has them installed on a bike in the show room. The gsa next to it has the wolfman bags on it also.
I have a Wolfman Expedition Dry Duffel - Large that I use with the Bumot panniers- easily stores all of my camping gear. It is easily secured to the bike using Rok straps which also make it easy to remove. I'm sure it would also work with any soft luggage system as it can be secured to the bike's frame.
This is a non-issue if you are using the Atacama / Mosko soft panniers with roll tops, they are easily accessible with 40L BMW duffel in place.
I have "gone soft" and am using the Mosko style soft panniers and duffel both. The 40L works well with the roll tops, I am sure the 30 would be fine too but I carry my light bulky stuff in the duffel (tent, thermarest, sleeping bag) so more room is better for that sort of stuff.
If you are using BMW Adventure panniers that open front to back then as Mofrid says you could have difficult accessing them.
I am not sure how Bumot hard cases open, but BMW Vario open to the side so that would be fine too.
I used the large Wolfman on the back with Rok straps. for 4 seasons with Wolfman waterproof soft panniers, it never let me down.
But the Mosko / BMW duffel has some very important functional advantages for the way I travel, namely, you can get into the Mosko without unstrapping it because it opens on either end, not from the top. Now that being said, it is a bit easier to load the roll top Wolfman bag, but I think once I get my morning ritual adjusted to the new duffel, it should be just about as quick.
When riding out west, the weather conditions frequently necessitate the removal or addition of clothes. It's a lot quicker for me to get into the Mosko style bag than the Wolfman/Rok.
But it really depends on how you roll!
Mosko and Wolfman duffels are very different animals. I really do like the Bumot boxes though. I wish I had known about them when I ordered the bike. But I also do have very fond memories of my 2007 GSA which had the BMW Adventure cases. They are perfect, if you don't drop the bike. If you do, I find the BMW construction is just not strong enough to stand up to the 600+ lb bike and I ended up banging them back into shape after each trip.
So I use hard cases for pavement based trips with big gravel, and soft bags for other trips.
Yeah, it does depend on how you roll.
For me, access is not an issue during the riding day. If I need to get into the duffle or pannier then I'm after parts or tools as everything I normally access is in the tail box.
Also I know I posted this before but on my test fit of the new luggage, I was able to get both BMW (Mosko) soft panniers, the 40L BMW (Mosko) duffel on over the seat mounted transversely (pictures show it can go either way) and the BMW top case behind the duffel if I so choose.
From what I have seen, the mosko gear is superior in function to any other soft luggage. The duffel is brilliant. The panniers weigh more than my zega mundo. That's the only negative I can see.
Gents, thank you for the thorough responses. Do I loose any features, other than volume, going with the 30L over the 40L? If not, I may order both and see which duffel accommodates the items I need to pack and return the other.
EDIT: After reviewing Mosko's website and the list of features of both the 30L & the 40L the only difference I can find are:
Pass-Throughs (30L version only)
Long external tent pole pocket (40L version only).
I have not seen them in person, but if it were me I'd go with larger bags if available.
Because with soft bags you can cinch them down if they are not full, that was a big advantage I figured out when using the Wolfman stuff (great stuff as well, did not disappoint!)
The duffel will be slightly narrower if you roll the closures more.
I'd say the H&B compatibility is all but certain, as I bought the 1150 Pete used as a development mule and trade show model, it has H&B racks.
Did you have problems getting the plates to fit?
Also, I am going to do a test of the duffel with my BMW panniers on a quick overnight to the Mono Lake area, abut 600 miles round trip.
I didn't have time to re-mount the plates for the Atacama duffels (I was testing them on my F800 on the Wolfman racks).
But as a way of illustration, you can mount the duffel this way and then open the hard cases without unstrapping the duffel to get at things quickly.
It's not really obvious from the BMW pictures of the luggage that you can mount the duffel either way, with the long dimension fore/aft or side to side.
Also, as advertised, the ends of the duffel are easily accessible without unstrapping the bag (I just checked).
I don't have Mosko bags, but there were plates mounted to the H&B racks when I first looked at the bike. Pete removed them after I bought it. You can drop in on the Mosko Moto thread in the vendor forum and ask for advice.
Just depends what you want to carry in the Backcountry Duffle in regards to a 40L or 30L.
I've used the 30L for nearly 1.5 years. I only pack might light stuff in the BC duffle in order to keep weight to a minimum above the seat. I pack a Hilleberg Unna, a Nemo Strato Loft sleeping bag, a Nemo 25L insulated pad, a Nemo pillow and my Helinox Sunset Charin in the 30L. The BC 30 sits perpendicular to the bike and both ends are inside the Backcountry panniers.
Large Mosko Moto pouch containing a ITS basic trauma kit including a SAM splint and other booboo items sits on top of the BC30 duffle.
I had no idea what a Hilleberg Unna was, so I googlified. I discovered that the total value of my camping gear is less than the cost of a one man tent. FFS.
I agree, Hilles are expensive and there are many other quality tent options.
I was the only camper near Alphosina's (east coast of Baja) on a particular night in May with no wind damage to the tent/poles. Wind was 50 MPH+. Several tents (brands will remain unnamed) were completely shredded/destroyed. For two riders/campers the trip south was over without tents and they headed north back to the US the next morning. I consider a tent survival gear, not merely a shelter.
Here's the advice from the SME.
Hilleberg has its on thread in the vendor's section.
Each to his own on the coin dropped.
And pricing Atacama moto luggage...
Atacama 40L Duffle - $326.99 MSRP with a 81 MPH BMW specified speed limit!
Mosko Moto Backcountry 40L Duffle - $224.99 with no imposed speed limit.
Oh, but the BMW version is $102 higher, roughly 33%. Of course Mosko builds it to BMW standards and it says "BMW" right on it. So, of course it has to be better....??
Here's the story line of the Atacama project...straight from Pete, owner of Mosko Moto.
Why the price differential between the Atacama and Backcountry? Mosko Moto sells direct to the rider, no distributor network, no middleman. The Atacama goes through a large BMW East or West coast distribution center before arriving at the dealer. Each layer of product handling has its associated costs and markup.
While the Atacama and Backcountry pans may look like identical products, they are not. The Atacama is designed so that the 25L and 35L pannier can be mounted to either the left or right side and achieve the same look. This was a design criteria since BMW wanted the bags to be mounted to bikes with the exhaust on either the left or right side and result in the same look.
"Better" is a relative term. The Atacama may "better" suit the individual needs of one rider v another due to design variances.
And, yes, we all know you are going to pay a premium for anything with the BMW name or logo. Simply Brand marketing.
Just another layer of distribution. Mosko distributes direct to consumer, not through other retailers, which helps their price. The BMW version has BMW's costs and margin added. If the BMW bags are only 33% more, Mosko is trimming their margins and BMW is not really marking up excessively. My experience in the apparel and bag industry is the traditional full retail price of most items is 200% of the wholesale, and wholesale is 200% of landed cost at the point of entry. I.E. if an item is $50 landed, it's $200 retail. OK, $199.95... Companies like Mosko are challenging that model with direct to consumer, offering equal or better quality and content at a lower price.
Just finished a 2 day 950 mile trip with the Atacama setup.
I love the stuff but in my opinion, the use of a smaller bag on the exhaust side is a mistake. Even the large soft pannier is narrower than the "narrow" exhaust side OEM BMW adventure aluminum case. So if you used 2 x 35L panniers, the setup would still be narrower than the hard boxes.
The smaller size of the exhaust side soft pannier makes the pouches on the front and back very small, in any case you definitely cannot get even a 2L water pouch like the MSR Dromedary into it. Believe me, I tried. So I ended up putting a tool roll in one pouch and my big MSR fuel bottle in the other. On the non-exhaust side bag a 2L water pouch fits fairly easily.
The BMW bags are otherwise symmetric and so I think it would be nice if they had as an option either the narrow exhaust side bag or 2 x 35L bags.
I am thus far very happy with the set, although hard cases are of course always more convenient. These new bags make me not sweat the low speed tip-overs that easily deform the OEM BMW hard aluminum cases.
And yes, I know, there are stronger hard boxes out there...
One thing that the price differential comparisons (BMW vs Mosko) are not taking into account:
Each BMW pannier has 2 external roll top pouches instead of one so from Mosko you would have to order 2 external molle pouches (+ $60 - 80).
Also the BMW duffel has an extra approximately 2L pouch with water resistant zipper on the beaver tail, you would have to add this from the Mosko version. (= + $30)
And the BMW duffel comes with a pair of the nice Mosko straps, the Mosko does not ( = + $35).
Just for you bean counters.