Fingers Crossed. Yamaha T7

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by Gorp, Nov 7, 2016.

  1. Hoak

    Hoak Long timer

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    Re-read them yourself, quote them correctly, not out of context, and then read this and tell us what your intention is and what it is you imagine you're bringing to the thread...
  2. Maggot12

    Maggot12 U'mmmm yeaah!!

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  3. TwinsFTW

    TwinsFTW Been here awhile

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    I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you've always heard the BS about Duc maintenance while not having any actual experience in the matter. The Duc maintenance angle is WAY overblown, at least on the 2-valves.

    I've owned two Ducatis, and I do all of my own work. I'd personally rather work on a 2V desmo than just about any shim-under-bucket OHC setup, even at higher maintenance intervals.
  4. Ogre_fl

    Ogre_fl Long timer

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    No, I am only going on the Ducati recommended service intervals of 7,500 miles for valve checks/adjustment and 15,000 for changing the timing belts.

    I don't consider those intervals excellent unto themselves and questioned if the poster understood it was more than just oil changes/lessor maintenance.
    I am not taking into account any other factors.
  5. The_Precious_Juice

    The_Precious_Juice 2013 DR650

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    I thought the valve interval adjustments were 18,000 miles, but there is some ambiguity from the www.
    It's hard to dial it in, but top speed agrees with 7,500 miles.

    The DUCATI website allows you to down load the service manual, but I can't find the Sled.

    Lastly, I did not know about the belts.
    I'll go back and edit my post from the last page.
  6. Harvey Krumpet

    Harvey Krumpet Long timer

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    I picked up the thread on page 14 and quite quickly jumped to here. I have a TDM 850, parallel twin, 270o crank. My second. It's a 97.

    Somebody mentioned a trend for parallel twins with that crank throw. Damned right! Yamaha have not stopped producing that kind of engine since they chopped an FZR 1000 motor in half in the 80's. Now it's fashionable again and for good reason. The TDM motor is a gem. Sounds great, pulls like a train, and it's not frightened to rev. Rock solid, too. Usually utterly reliable with good maintenance. It's far better in real life than on paper. It's really good for motogymkhana, too.

    If the new motor has the character of the TDM, I'm in. Shortcomings with suspension or so, I can fix. From what I have seen in video reviews this motor will be huge fun in this package. And that, for me, is what it's all about.
    My TDM's are the hardest bikes I've ever owned to replace. Whenever I think about a new bike I go for a ride. Twisty tar seal, hair pins on steep gravel roads, wet grass and clay, some nice, open, normal roads and home. I stop thinking about a new bike. The subject of this thread is the closest I have seen to replacing my bike. I want a dirty, knobblie, crashable, TDM.

    A little boy waits.
  7. Ginger Beard

    Ginger Beard I have no soul

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    The history of my bike prevents me from getting as radical with the build as I would have liked. The Scramster was built out of my father's "bucket list" bike. He rode it from AK to FL to mark his milestone 70th birthday. Sentimental value has kept me from executing the ideas bouncing around in my head.

    I'd love build another one and do an oil in frame setup, Metmachex swingarm, plastic gas tank/fenders, ditch the heavy HD hand controls/switch gear, 1 1/8 bar conversion, some strategic milling/ carbon fibre repop of various engine covers and components, etc along with a USD fork and longer travel fully adj shocks. I see no reason that I couldn't shave another 30lbs or so off of one of these bikes. Of course some mild engine mods would go with it. 440lbs with 80whp and equal torque would suit my needs just fine.


    Damnit, now you've got me thinking about another Sportster build!! :lol3
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  8. Tripped1

    Tripped1 Bitch called me a feminist.

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    Because it depends on the years.
    Before the 11* Testastretta, yeah 7,500 miles was a safe bet, 5,000 on older bikes
    The 11* motors started with 12,000km oil change and 24,000km valve/belt maintenance
    The post 2014 bikes this increases to 15,000km oil and 30,000km valve/belt

    I can't tell you on the surviving air cooled bikes

    http://www.ducati.com/bikes/hypermo...engine/service_interval_of_30_000_km/index.do

    For example.

    ....and no the desmo maintenance does NOT cost $2,000 if you aren't letting a dealer rip you off.
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  9. Hoak

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    I understand; on the other hand, giving 'The Scramster' a new and extended life might be more in keeping with the spirit of Dad's 'bucket list bike' -- obviously not for me to say; but if you were my kid it I'd say: 'anything goes as long is it's a labor of love and you don't half-ass any of it'... On the other hand if he did that ride on the bike in it's present form I more then get it...

    Woah! And Wow! Metmachex makes a single damper swing-arm for the Sportster? Getting the native torque capability out of the Sportster's v-twin is where I'd set my sights too. I can't imagine anyone that would get on a 440 lb v-twin that produces that kind of torque not having a 'Come to Jesus' moment about HD -- I know I did. I've always enjoyed v-twins, but until recent discovery not enough to own one; 'poo pooing' them as anachronistic relics, until my fairly recent exposure to how fun, gratifying, capable, and practical they can be...

    This with the disappointing path Japanese and European brands are taking, where just changing an air-filter has become a two hour, two hundred fastener disassembly operation, marketing bullet lists of 'high tech features' that confer no real benefits other then more service requirements -- has taken a lot of the motorcycle out of the motorcycle, dimmed my enthusiasm for 'newer is better' and made me realize a lot of the hype is superficial marketing foo-foo and patent novelty (stuff I'm as susceptible too as the next guy, but I try to keep it real).

    All the novelty, hyped features (even those that have actual benefits), and 'new' doesn't mean a thing if your bike won't start, or takes a substantial amount of your riding time to sort it out and maintain. New and novel are over in a heart-beat, all of us own bikes that are used a lot longer then they were new... I see more honeymoons of 'new' turning into buyer's remorse on these forums as motorcycles inch towards what appear to be the government and industry goal of: "DO NOT OPEN UNDER PENALTY OF FORFEITURE OF LICENSE & OWNERSHIP: NO USER SERVICEABLE PARTS INSIDE". And if you think I'm being histrionic, that's from actual draft legislation... :D

    If you decide to pursue taking a Sporster to the next level, sure hope you blog it on the ADV fourms; I guarantee you'll have plenty of curious and enthusiastic followers!
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  10. Ogre_fl

    Ogre_fl Long timer

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    You can download the owner's manual.
    It calls out the maintenance intervals on pg. 172 that I referenced in my previous post..
    I did not mention this before but it also has service reminders (pg 61-64) and calls out for it to be hooked up to the dealer computer to reset them.

    https://scramblerducati.com/immagin.../Scrambler_Desert_Sled_(E4)_USA_MY17_ED00.pdf
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  11. jackbyo

    jackbyo @sunnysideup_mc

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    Really dig this bike...

    You got a build report anywhere? Or even just some more photos? Your ride report has unfortunately had all it's photos removed by photobucket
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  12. Wormjello

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    Yamaha lost a tonne of money on the TDM850. I can understand them being a little cautious. A depressed motorcycle market is no place for such a bold move as the T7 unless, of course, Yamaha can shrug off another financial loss.
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    We're showing at IMS Long Beach, which mean I'll be in early for vendor setup, which mean I'll be heading asap over to the Yamaha booth and hopefully taking pics!!!
  14. Harvey Krumpet

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    Interesting comment. The MKI confused buyers, it was perceived as a big motard on release but was criticized for being dull. Tedium came up very quickly..... The MKII went on to be the top selling bike in Europe for awhile and was top seller in France for a few years. Not so popular elsewhere unfortunately. The TDM has had a great shelf life, it came out in 1991 and as far as I know the 900 is still in production.
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    Ginger Beard I have no soul

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    Yeah I don't think my old man would care one bit if I went to town on this bike. He would probably encorage it. This is more my hang up.:lol3

    Unfortunately no single shock swingarm from Metmachex but they did tell me that they would weld the shock mounts where ever I would like. A couple inches forward would give me enough travel for a bit more off road capability.

    I enjoy all of the new tech. My only frustration is when I'm forced to purchase something. The market is very good at convincing riders that wants are "needs" but I've never been a good sheep. To me, A big part of motorcycling is that it is imperfect in it's simplicity. As things become "easier" , not only is it making things unnecessarily complex but it is dulling that visceral nature that has always been inherent to motorcycling. It's also what draws me to cycling, skateboarding, martial arts, etc and to me it is a must have.

    I doesn't surprise me that someone would try to regulate our ability to do our own repairs. You can't get that tax money on free labor.

    I had a build thread for the original build that has unfortunately been robbed of it's pictures thanks to photobucket. If the bike does go through another metamorphosis then I'll be sure to post it! :beer


    Thank you for the compliment. The same happened to the build thread. If you have any questions or pic requests I'd be happy to share. You can see a few pics on my instagram @oneworldcycles.
  16. muddy

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    Date ?
  17. swamp

    swamp Woods Junkie

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    So.. is the tSeven going to happen.. in the USA?
  18. Lion BR

    Lion BR I'd rather be riding

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    I doubt it. This is an international motorcycle model with the well known Tenere brand, to be sold everywhere, especially Europe. Therefore it is much more likely to be shown for the first time at EICMA, the most international of all motorcycle shows and where most prototypes and key new production motorcycles are displayed for the first time. Yamaha would not want to spoil EICMA by showing it off at our little show... But I would not rule the possibility out, of course. Especially if the US market were key for this bike (which I doubt, we are only one of the markets, not the most strategic one, our reality when it comes to motorcycles).
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  19. Dillo

    Dillo All bark, no bite

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    EICMA is before any of the US shows except AIM
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  20. eakins

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    EICMA is where mfg show off new global models. If it's coming to the US then IMS Long Beach is next and where it will be.
    I'll be there. Butler will have a booth in the new ADV and travel lifestyle area.

    LB is always the very best IMS stop. If you want to go to a MC show in the US this should be at the top of your list.

    ...I feel like I'm Bill Murray in Ground Hog Day :-)
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