Fingers Crossed. Yamaha T7

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by Gorp, Nov 7, 2016.

  1. THE TENERENATOR

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    Huge fail by Yamaha if this bike doesn't get produced for '18. The time is ripe. AT has its fork problem. Big thumpers can't pass the next stage of smog regs etc.
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  2. watrboy

    watrboy Been here awhile

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    I agree. It would be a real game changer in the market. I can see myself moving to a T7 from my Tenere in a year or so.
  3. motorock

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    If by "big change", they mean a single mill engine that can match the Duke/SM 690 and then wrap it inside an adventure frame to replace the old baby tenere, I am in. Thogh, this "change" could be just the FZ series being names "MT" as reported by motorcycle.com or maybe just small displacement bikes from other markets making it to the US lineup.

    I have big hopes on this T7 though...the FZ09 I have is easily a great sport tourer and I have even done some medium-grade off-roading on it without breaking a sweat- skid plate, TKC 80s and adv pegs (like the tenere's) is all I needed. Cutting down the weight(from the 09), gaining the extra ground clearance and a long tank range- easily a winner in my books. I have done gnarly trails in much worse- don't need no fancy equipment and Yamaha knows that.
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  4. Cruz

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    Can you explain why this bike specifically would be a game changer, and which game is it changing?
    Read this comment over and over, its just another bike guys.
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    watrboy Been here awhile

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    Just my opinion. We have nothing in this market that would sell at that level. The local Yamaha, Honda (AT is close), and Harley dealer have nothing like this. Multi cylinder, mid size, off road capable bike is not available without spending $1000's to modify. I loved my XT500 and XR650L til I had a few hours of pavement to get home. My S10 does check a lot of boxes, but is limited by my capabilities and ability to pickup on the 2 track. BMW and Triumph have them, but no dealer within 300 miles. I have modified bikes, but would rather ride. The Africa Twin works but another option would be nice. Lots and lots of dirt roads around here, but some nice pavement too.
    But you are correct, it is just another motorcycle. I stand corrected.
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  6. mousitsas

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    It might be a game changer in terms of price.
    The mt09 tracer for example, is.
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    Lion BR I'd rather be riding

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    If I could guess (or it is my wish list) the T7 would be a game changer, TO ME, because (or if):

    1. Has the 18 or 17 / 21 wheel set (others have it)
    2. Great motor (just enough power and great torque delivery curve)
    3. Good price (yes, this is it!)
    4. Not as heavy as the current batch of 800's or AT (and this)
    5. Possible to be built into a multi-cylinder rally machine with bolt on parts.
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  8. mcmann

    mcmann Motorcycle ADV enthusiast

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    Not sure who has been asking for the "retro" bikes Yamaha has been launching.

    A T7 Enduro/Rally would certainly be nice . . . not sure it would sell as well as an Adventure type bike.

    It would take a light weight Rally-type T7 for me to bite. Otherwise. . . keep riding my current stuff.
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  9. Dillo

    Dillo All bark, no bite

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    Probably the crazy numbers of people who have been buying the Bonneville, Ducati Scrambler, and XSR900 like crazy...

    You forget that the adventure market is a niche. A growing one to be sure, but a niche. Retro bikes are the big wave right now, regardless of how people on this forum might feel about them. Hell, if I had room to own multiple bikes I'd already be on the wait list for a XSR700.
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  10. eakins

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    ?

    The XRS is an existing bike thus can be announced asap at AimExpo for the US market. The 300 Xmax came in this way too.

    The 700 is a new yet to be released to the world and thus EICMA and the IMS LB if US bound.

    You personally might not like it but this is how the industry works. Expecting anything different is just fruitless.
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    Bummer if true but not surprising in the big picture.

    Surprise?
    3 wheel leaning motorcycle?
    Electric street bike from a Japanese mfg?
    Hybrid motor technology?
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  12. eakins

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    So everyone needs to call Yamaha today!!!
    And request this bike after it's released.

    $ is what talks to these companies unless it's a pure production logistics & supply chain problem.

    http://www.yamaha-motor.com/corporate/contactus.aspx
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    The reason why new bikes get released in Europe first is this.

    1. Bikes sell much better in Europe.

    2. Importing any vehicle in the USA is an expensive, bureaucratic, red taped, political phucking nightmare. We elect azzholes into office who appoint idiots into offices that control the EPA who in turn has created an absolute mess for foreign manufacturers. So they launch a new bike to the rest of the world first, it sells, it gets that model/project/dept profitable, but before they actually make a dime off that new revenue, they take all the money that bike made in other countries and spend it on the political mess that is the US Govt, in order to be able to sell the bike here.

    Blame our Govt, not Yamaha. We won't see the bike here until it has sold a ton in the rest of the world.


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    Start calling everyone!
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    I'll agree with #1 but not completely with #2.

    New bikes & scooters are all designed to meet Euro 4 not US epa. Euro 4 is more restrictive. The big design cost involved is to appease the Euros. Sure the EPA has light requirements etc that cost some extra but nothing like what the Euros want in an engine not to mention required ABS.

    As such EPA passage is more a factor of some time and $ paid to get it done. The importers all know how to do it and the time frame it takes. Yes it takes $ and some time, look how long SWM is taking to do this, but it's all a standard process.

    It comes down to the desire for Yamaha NA execs making the decision to bring a bike in year 1 vrs any other outside force at the EPA holding them back.

    If Yamaha Corporate is not offering it to the US for 1 year for what ever reason that is a factor for waiting that year, but otherwise it's a N.A. decession alone to wait 1 year.

    The AT and many other bikes come to the US year 1. Heck BMW seems to send everything they make to the US year 1 so it's all possible.
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    I respectfully disagree re calling the manufacturers believing a call will actially shape what they sell and when. Call instead your legislatures and seek incentives for MC. Tax benefits, commuting benefits, fee waivers, etc. For instance; if all dmv fees were waived and all taxes rebated for a new commuter MC purchase, MC sales would respond dramatically. Provide free toll use, etc. Let the market loose and step back!
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    I read the game changer comment to reflect a new market machine vs about the 700 Tenere.
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    lol it's not the gov'ts fault we don't get cool motorcycles.
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    It's California's fault. Everything is...
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    Even though it is only 100cc smaller than the parallel twin 800 BMW, L twin Ducati Desert Sled 800 or triple Triumph 800?

    No one knows the weight or the spec or really anything else about the bike yet so to say it is a game changer against those 3 bikes I find a bit hard to understand.

    If it turns out to be a twin cylinder about the same weight as a 690 KTM with good suspension and ground clearance then you can say it will be a game changer. We won't know till it turns up.
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