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Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by Gorp, Nov 7, 2016.
I don't think this game changer has anything what so ever to do with the ADV segment.
All three of those bikes are relatively hard to source here. Not even on my radar as an option. Yamaha's and Honda's are easy to access in this market. Even the KTM has limited availability because the local dealer can't get anything but dirt bikes.
The parenthetic statement meant that the commenter added that to the original post.
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It isn't going to be a game changer, but it will probably make the overpriced middle class ADV bikes seem well overpriced.
Let's re-read Solarbronco's post again for clarity. And remember this is all potential heresay.
"and another surprise that nobody see's coming"
which has been morphed into "game changer"
And from the original post I read the complete comment and I think that it describes a completely new segment bike. NOT referring to the 700 Tenere what so ever.
So if I am reading correctly.. remove the T7 screen saver from my work computer.. quit dreaming about it, won't be here until 2019? I guess that means quit searching everyday for news on the release date of the T7... Hmmm, man I hope it's not true.. I want one.. it would fit nicely in my garage next to the YZ250X & WR250R.
If Yamaha is going to release a 450cc Tenere Enduro, I want to say that I saw it coming. Hoped, saw, whatever.
Tenere 320 twin if Yamaha was as smart as Kawasaki.
No one saw the Versys X coming.
Nah, I think it's gonna be a retro look cafe version R-1 with knobbie tires .
The guy could have been totally screwing with me he seemed serious about the T7 release years.
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Yes, it morphed from "surprise" to "game changer". But that doesn't mean we can't talk about game-changers.
If... KTM delivers, on the speculated 800cc parallel twin motor they've been developing, the kind of motorcycle they delivered as the 1190R a few years back, that would be a game changer for mid-size adventure motorcycles.
If the Yamaha 700 is a "buildable" platform where, from a low base price, you can pick well chosen pieces to build a bike that meets your needs, including something similar to the T7 concept, than that would be a game changer. As an example, Rally Raid produced, organized and sells the parts to to build an adventure bike from the KTM 690, they could do the same to build a rally machine from the Yamaha 700 - if we don't do it on our own - and if RR gets their head out of the CB500X's arse. Nothing against the CB500X, which I find to be an awesome machine with the RR-LIII.
But yes, that sales person was not talking about any "game changer" on his discourse.
Did you call Yamaha with number I posted yesterday???
Market sales is what these guys understand.
Maybe it's planned for 2019 but with real voices saying I'm buying today things can and do change.
If nothing else Yamaha can do early release 2019s next summer/ fall if they see demand is hot.
Absolutely we can talk but I just wanted to steer the ship correctly before someone starts says eventually Solorbronco said the 700 T is a game changer and gets into a pissing match with someone else who says they are full of it. It happens.
Heck 2 weeks ago had doom and gloom with the WR250R going away for 18 because of rumors and heresay talk.
Even the mag fell for the bait and then AimExpo and low and behold...
I'm trying to wade thru & counter check some of the BS that happens on ADV.
Strangely enough this configuration popped into my head when I read the "surprise" post. In my demented mind it was an FI, emissions compliant 2t, though. A 21st century TDR...
Dream on Harvey.
Or the 250 VStrom -- but I have to admit I really don't understand that segment at all. To me they seem like city bikes for the Starbucks Enduro crowd.
They'd be dumb as rocks to not release whatever bike they have in the pipeline for this segment.
The Africa Twin has been a runaway hit for Honda and those little Versys machines are selling like hotcakes. It's clear that there is a vacuum, an opportunity... between the little 300cc machines and the 800cc machines. A bold manufacturer would make a gutsy move by making a bike for that part of the market, and reap a big reward if all you unicorn wishing mofos put your money where your mouth is. (unicorn defined here as twin cylinder, 50- 70 hp, 400lbs, 4 gal tank, 65mpg, rear subframe, dirtbike suspension/ clearance and selling for $32.49.)
Good luck with the unicorn.
Agreed, and the MT-03 is more user friendly than the Ninja 300.
She is kind of weak from 3,000-5,500rpm, but after 7,000 the bike takes off.
~114mph top speed.
I really thought highly of the R3 on the demo ride.
Yahama would be dumb not to turn her into a All-Rounder, at least.
I think going with a KLR Slayer is the way to go. Kawasaki sales hundreds of those a year in North America.
The Suspension set up just needs to be this
Front Suspension / Wheel Travel
41mm telescopic fork/7.9 in
Rear Suspension / Wheel Travel
Uni-Trak® single-shock system with 5-way preload and stepless rebound damping/7.3 in
That thing nobody sees coming is a roadgoing, roadlegal Tesseract iteration. A higher cc tilting threewheeler (or 4) than has ever been sold. Not another DS.
Duh. T7 = Tesseract 7 = 7 legs. There's your game changer.
Everybody knows that. It's just science.
What middle class ADV bikes are over priced, or what's the price point that has to be beat for this machine to look like a bargain?
Though not mid class; Yamaha's own Super Ténéré is cheap for what you get in the way of a mature, robust, bug free, rugged and versatile platform with tons of proven after-market farkels, and it offers more maintenance autonomy then a lot of the alternatives.
To me it looks like Yamaha will have to undercut the price of the Super Ténéré substantially if the final bike is anything like the compromised *07 regurge we're seeing -- though re-purposing off the shelf low budget parts to get the price down is obviously one way to get there...
If what we're seeing is an accurate depiction of the production machine (as some of the comments suggest) the only game that will be changed is the disconnect some have had with reality...
Well, look, a typical 800cc bike is in the $8000-$10,000 range, unless it's a VFR or an ADV bike. The BMWs and KTMs are Ducatis are all expensive as hell. Most ADV bikes get a $2000-$4000 premium over street bikes. Many of these bikes cost more than cars that have 4 wheels, bigger engines, air conditioning, windows, seat belts, air bags, turbos, thousands of pounds of metal...........
I'll bet the new F900 GS crosses the $15K mark.