First aid kit supplies

Discussion in 'Equipment' started by Mike at Tank Vest, May 21, 2012.

  1. bomber60015

    bomber60015 Anatomically Correct

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    For me (can't speak for others), Very Important.

    Ever tried to use soaked first aid supplies?

    I don't want to, every again.
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  2. t6pilot

    t6pilot Been here awhile

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    One thing I added to my kit is a bottle of cayenne pepper, this is a old Indian remedy for stopping blood flow on scrapes
    I know your first thought is it's going to sting, it doesn't, I have used it several times on myself mountain biking
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  3. proileri

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    That's a pretty good setup.

    I got some medic training in the army, and I've since carried a separate, "real" first aid kit - the kit to stop a person from getting into seriously bad condition or dying within the next 30 minutes or so, until EMTs get there or you get to them.

    In my opinion, what the kit should include is:
    1) Things that enable CPR and putting your hands into another persons mouth, guts, etc. - nowadays you just need disposable gloves.
    2) Things that allow you to stop heavy bleeding - field bandages (israelis are practical, including the pre-plastic clasp ones that are cheap), EMT shears, a tourniquet or two.
    3) Anything to help to keep the person warm, like a space blanket. Even during the summer, the night temps can be cool, especially if the ground is wet and the person is immobile.

    Plus a roll of duct tape, which is practical everywhere. After that it's quik-clot, chest seals etc. I'd personally rather keep multiple small basic kits around than invest in a big one with expensive equipment.

    Also, anything that can be used to improvise can be highly practical. At minimum I'd have a knife and a small axe/saw around, plus something to fasten things with (duct tape, thin wire, zip-ties). These allow you to make splints, bandages and stretchers as needed.
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  4. team ftb

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    Great question. I'm an insulin dependent diabetic (type 1) and been dealing with it for 32 years and trying to care for my diabetes in the rural jungles of southeast asia during my rides. Most doctors years ago tried to dissuade me from scuba diving, rock climbing etc due to the dangers of low blood sugars and the consequences of it during those activities. Instead I viewed it as a variable that needed to be adapted. Diabetes challenge is managing the blood glucose levels. You neither want the levels too high or too low. When the blood sugar levels are too high, the diabetic has enough cerebral acumen present to take actions and self regulate the sugars. The danger is low blood sugars in diabetics, when in this case the mental capabilities of the diabetic can be compromised and therefore the diabetic is unable to competently take actions to reverse the low blood sugars. Symptoms of a low blood sugar are drunken like behavior, inability to comprehend and process information correctly, erratic behavior, blah blah blah. This is where friends are a huge asset to the diabetic as they can assist the diabetic in getting the blood sugar increased. This is done usually by taking on glucose to get the blood sugar to increase quickly and carbohydrates to keep it elevated.

    People mention testing the blood sugar with the diabetics blood glucose meter. In my experience the meter is not even needed as by the time friends recognize a low blood sugar in my actions I'm definitely have a low blood sugar and not borderline low. In this case just get the damn glucose into my mouth:D. The diabetic has sugar somewhere on their person or in the pack. Ideally the quickest way to increase the blood sugar is intravenously with a glucose drip but this ain't gonna be available on the side of the trail. Next quickest would be a liquid with glucose since it does not have to be broken down from a solid; cola, fruit juice, Gatorade, etc. Third would be solids with glucose (candy, cookies, etc). Another great option are things like Powerbal Gels that can be slowly dribbled into the diabetics mouth without choking even if they are incoherent. The cake icing in a tube mentioned by Casejeep is perfect as it is a durable package and holds about 8 oz of the stuff. I used to use this in my scuba diving equipment as I could take the regulator out of my mouth 100 feet down and suck on some cake icing if i was feeling the blood sugar dropping too much.

    People ask about proper glucose dosaging in these emergency situations when the diabetic is incoherent. In my eyes don't worry about giving them too much. If you give them too much then when they come around and are out of the woods they can then self regulate themselves. In other words one lollipop may not cut it and you may need six, depending on how low the blood sugar has gotten. It is better to give the diabetic too much sugar than too little sugar in this case.

    Sometimes the diabetic may tell you they are fine (I do this I'm told) even though you can see for yourself that something is amiss with their actions. In these situations you are a better judge of what is going on than the diabetic and need to get some sugar into the diabetic even though they may insist that they do not need it. It may need some persistence on the part of the friends.


    Best of luck.
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  5. proileri

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    I'm considering buying some of those individually packaged glucose candy thingies for my first aid kit, and for myself too. I don't have diabetes, but exercise sometimes drops my blood sugar low. It's definitely unpleasant.
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  6. Storm Shadow

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    always carry sugar, life savers are good. those pre packaged single serve mentos are good too. although i never did find otu wtf a chewie draggie is:lol3
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  7. TheOtherBart

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    What's the best source for these Israeli bandages and compact splints and all that?
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  8. proileri

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    If all else fails, plenty of those on eBay.
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  9. conwaykram

    conwaykram Mark Conway AR

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    Excellent info here. A must read :clap
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  10. Mullet

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    Good thread, made me think about what I have been carrying.
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  11. kevinj

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    I've just ordered a REI brand first-aid kit (one of their larger sets). They call it their trekking kit but no-one would carry a kit that big. It'll be great for car/motorcycle.

    Once it's here, I'll start adding some of the things off the lists earlier in this thread. Although, realistically, the biggest favor I could do myself is taking a first aid class.
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  12. nikonll

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    I'm actually thinking of creating a first aid kit for bikers. Am wondering what is the biggest bugbear for the commercially available kits out there now?

    Hope you guys would help me out.
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  13. Storm Shadow

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    http://www.dealextreme.com/p/outdoor-emergency-first-aid-kit-bag-with-3-compartments-46337
    Includes:
    1 * red bag with 3 compartments
    4 * safety-pins
    1 pair disposable quality latex gloves
    1 * elastic bandage
    5 * adhesive bandages
    1 * medical adhesive tape
    2 * alcohol prep pad
    3 * antiseptic towelette
    2 * triangle moleskin
    1 * tweezers
    1 * scissor
    1 * 160*210 emergency blanket
    1 * breathing mask
    2 * sterile non-woven Tape
    1 * adhesive wound dressing
    1 * 5pcs/pack 5*2.5cm gauze bandage
    1 * 5pcs/pack 7.5*2.5cm gauze bandage

    http://www.dealextreme.com/p/outdoor-11-in-1-emergency-first-aid-kit-bag-red-136869?item=2

    acking List 1 x Triangular Bandage
    2 x Safe pin (3cm)
    1 x Elastic bandage (6x400cm)
    1 x Scissors (9cm)
    5 x Sterile gauze sponge (5x5cm)
    1 x Tourniquet
    1 x Adhesive non-woven tape (1.25x500cm)
    10 x Alcohol prep pad
    10 x Bandage (7.2x1.9cm)
    4 x Povidone-lodine prep pad (5x5cm)
    1 x Tweezers (12.5cm)


    i ordered a couple of these first aid kits, for the bikes cheap and i got 2 big ones and 2 small ones, i wonder what they will be like?
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  14. davsato

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    i know you were talking about sugar for diabetics, but we were watching a hospital show on TV a few weeks ago and this poor kid had a huge infected cancer under his collar bone and the nurse just opened up a paper bag of granulated table sugar, exactly the same brand as weve got in the kitchen cupboard, and poured about half a pound of it into the hole and taped a gauze over it.

    we were, like, "WTF?"
    (poor little chap died btw, but it was nothing to do with the sugar. OR British hospitals, before someone says anything)

    never heard of that before, bet theres dozens of things around the house, like vinegar, that have lots of uses
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  15. sonofbuelldualsport

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    Thanks

    Great Ideas

    My Dad and I are going to AK next summer.

    Time to start putting a kit together.

    :freaky
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  16. SixtyAte

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    In my opinion these are the best first aid kits for the money. Check out the Road Rash kit. I have personally assembled the componets to make my own kits, but you have to make about 4 to save yourself money.
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  17. TraumaQueen

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    I'm currently working on an article about updating one's motorcycle first aid kit and ran across this:
    http://thesurvivalmom.com/2012/03/15/the-case-against-quikclot

    I checked in with a few friends who either use it in the field or receive those patients who have been treated with it. The unanimous opinion was that laypeople should not carry this stuff because they tend to use it WAY too often.

    So I'm sharing that caution here because I saw it mentioned in several posts.

    Just sayin'.
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  18. Robidob

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    First off lets be real here, I am a Combat corpsman I have deployed overseas and have had to deal with my fair share of real remote injuries sitting on patients for really long periods of time with next to nothing. We are riding motorcycles not ambulances; much as I can only carry enough medical supplies into the field on a mission as I can carry plus my gear. So stop take a look at your kit and really evaluate what your are carrying, where you will be riding and what is actually practical to carry. Get some training and carry things that are multi purpose multi use. I always have the bare minimum of the following in my back pack every-time I leave the house no matter where I am going.

    Before anything

    A roll of good duct tape and a real swiss army knife with tweezers
    and the following gear

    1. Really good trauma shears- I like the Mojos with a lanyard to my pack so I don't loose them
    2. 3x3" ace wraps- Can use them for pressure dressing or to treat an ortho injury
    3. 3 packs z rolled gauze- same thing as Kerlix in the civillian market to use for packing with pressure dressings
    4. 2 CAT tourniquets - Just some webbing 2 key rings and a sharpie will work just as good
    5. 1 pack quick clot combat gauze
    6. I carry two foam SAMS splints flattened out and in with the hydration pouch in my back pack( fit nice behind bladder)
    7. Two EPI pens diphenhydramine(Benadryl) and asprin
    8. I don't carry my pocket mask on deployment but stateside I always have it in my pack ( Not down for mouth to mouth with a stranger)
    9. 3 pairs of nitrile gloves in a ziplock that I powder myself to keep them from sticking and to make them easier to get on with sweaty hands that your going to have in an actual stressful situation such as responding to an accident.
    10. 2 space blankets
    11. Safety pins-- lots of uses not going to share some folks may have a weak stomach
    12. Baggie with band aids and neosporin for the small cuts

    I have a backpack that goes everywhere with me, on the bike, in the car, on deployment, camping etc.... It has some other basic stuff in it I am willing to share if anyone is interested not medical but useful in those oh $h!T situations as well as general world travel.

    All this stuff only takes up a little bit of space in a one gallon freezer bag and you can treat multiple injuries with it, I have worked in ERs and we don't really like salves and lotions all over injuries its just more crap to scrub away so don't waste your money. concentrate on the basics Stop the major bleeding, Good airway, Breathing and getting help. Stateside good communication with help and accurate position is most the most beneficial thing you can do with someone who is in need.

    If your packing for a long trip to a third world country and would like more advice on medicine in the remote areas or the tropics let me know this is my specialty..... Give me a PM
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  20. Stan_R80/7

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    It is difficult to argue what one keeps in a first aid kit, particularly with individuals who have experience in trauma.
    I think:
    the road rash kit from amp-3 (or similar);
    ordinary fabric band-aids and a small tube of antibiotic ointment;
    twine;
    pocket knife (I prefer the Swiss Tinker) and single edge razor blade;
    blood clot gauze;
    water bottle wrapped in duct tape;
    a cell phone;
    GPS (so you can tell someone where you are at);
    will work for 95% of injuries. Staying out of shock and using your head are the two most important parts of a first aid kit, imo. Plan ahead and let people know where you are going and try going places with cell service. For most minor injuries, the band-aid and ointment will keep you going - partly just by covering up the damage. Without the training to effectively use other tools, they can do more harm than good.


    Edit: this would be a good first aid kit to have all in one place;

    1. neoprene gloves
    2. sterile gauze pads 2x2, 4x4 and 6x6.
    3. medical tape
    4. vet wrap
    5. compression wrap
    6. compression bandage
    7. splint
    8. alcohol wipes
    9. Neosporin
    10. scissors/shears
    11. veterinary laceration adhesive (superglue)
    12. band aids
    13. tweezers/single edge razor blade
    14. instant ice pack
    15. Tylenol/aspirin/alieve/advil
    16. Iodine and liquid bandage
    17. Moleskin and Duct tape
    18. Bottled water
    19. Benadryl
    20. Sugar/candy
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