First BMW (maybe) need advice

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by TurkeyRun, Jan 8, 2013.

  1. TurkeyRun

    TurkeyRun Been here awhile

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    Yea, I'm stoked!

    Just ordered oil, filter, QD's, new external fuel line & clamps & a battery from BeemerBoneyard.

    So far, total cash investment USD$2075
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  2. SCQTT

    SCQTT Zwei Kolben

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    You could probably sell your tank on here for $1k if the bike turns out to be a turd. Wheels whould go for another $500 easy.

    Even if it is a little beat, that luggage was over $1K new, My guess is you would be well in the black selling that and the other stuff.

    You did well.
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  3. TurkeyRun

    TurkeyRun Been here awhile

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    So the seller got my cash, I've got the signed title and the bike :clap

    Poking around a bit in the garage, the thing really doesn't look too bad. All of the paint on the handlebar controls is gone. Leaves and cr*p under the seat. Engine oil looks clean and full. The topbox leaks, and I pulled a sizable chunk of ice out of it when my buddy and I picked it up today. I got the windshield, got to figure out how to attach it at some point. Seller couldn't find the side cover. All that can wait.

    Really cold in the garage tonight so phase 2 of this project will have to wait until tomorrow afternoon:

    I have a brand new battery on a trickle charger, a couple gallons of 92 octane, fuel line and new QDs. The plan is to get all that sorted and see if it'll start for me tomorrow.

    I feel like a kid on Christmas Eve!
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  4. MacRunch

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    You scored a great deal. I picked up an '04 1150 GSA a couople of weeks ago and have been absolutely loving it. They are top heavy when pushing around the garage and drive, but once underway it's one of the best riding bikes I've ever owned. One issue that needed modifying though is the stock sidestand is short and the bike leans way too far to the left. So today I pick up a hockey puck at the local hockey rink, drilled three holes in the foot, three more in the puck to match up, the attached it with SS M6 x 1-30 metric bolt. Used blue Loctite and nylock nuts to keep it attached. The puck makes a huge difference in the lean angle.

    Congratulations on you new bike!
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  5. Dan-M

    Dan-M Long timer

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    Bikes that have been sitting almost always have more issues than are aparant at first. For $1800 though you probably got a pretty good deal.

    Just go through system by system as others have said changing fluids and inspecting. Pay close attention to safety items like brake calipers looking for torn seals and sticking pistons.
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  6. tagesk

    tagesk Tuscan rider

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    Sir,
    Last year, when my 2000 model was worn out I replaced it with a 2002 model.
    Simply becuase during the three model years 2000-2 BMW made the best bikes ever.

    [TaSK]
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  7. TurkeyRun

    TurkeyRun Been here awhile

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    I've heard people really like the R1150GS. And, I'm told that my bike, the 2002 does not have linked brakes which, I consider a good thing but have yet to validate.

    Could you expand on why you think the 2002-2003 models are particularly good? Sorry to sound so ignorant but this is my first BMW. One of the reasons I looked into one of these is because I've always been intrigued by the stong following BMW has, their reputation for solid engineering and reliability. I couldn't see buying a new one at $US20K or so and thus ended up with this one, and people keep telling me that it's a great model year, but I'm not sure why yet :huh

    Thanks!

    Going to get working on it here in a few hours .... darn responsible me, I was raised that you don't go out and play until you've done your chores. 50 years old and I'm still wanting to clear my family schedule before I hit the garage.
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  8. tagesk

    tagesk Tuscan rider

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    In 2000 they pulled together all the lessons they had learned from the 1100 and earlier bikes, and released the 1150.

    With ABS, but before the (now abandoned) servo. BTW: Linked brakes is a good idea, servo isn't. Yes, I know, bikes with servo have awesome stopping power, but the device is electric and will set you back about 2000 euro.

    With fuel injection (no carbs) and (relative) modern electronics to control it (the Montronic). But before it took off with more gadgets than you'll ever need.

    A steel tank that in the worst case will dent, not crack.

    In 2003 it all ended; dual spark, servo brakes, and from there on, a slippery slope.

    There is, however, one thing you need to remember: The main bearing in the Final Drive should be replaced every 50.000 km. BMW says it isn't a maintenance item, but they are wrong. To make up your own mind, search for "BMW FD failure". Main has failed four times on the road, in Arezzo (Italy), Alcoi (Catalonia, currently in Spain), in Hanover (Germany), and in Oristano (Sardinia, Italy) in 220.000 km.

    The next vintage worth buying is the 2008-9. The 2008-model 12GS draws lessons from the 2005-7 models, just like the 2000 model 1150 draws from the 1100. I assume the 2015 model might be another star.

    Unless something has changed here on GSpot, my bold statements will draw some fire :-)

    [TaSK]
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  9. TurkeyRun

    TurkeyRun Been here awhile

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    So.........

    Changed all the external fuel lines and QDs to the ones from Beemer Boneyard. Put a new battery in it. Put in my special mix of 2 gallons 92 octane unleaded mixed with a couple shots of Marvel Mystery Oil and some Seafoam. It didn't want to start at first, then when it did, I got this strange squeaky/whistling noise when it fired. After about 2 minutes of idling, I turned the choke off, and it sounded like this (youtube.com)

    That about right?
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  10. TurkeyRun

    TurkeyRun Been here awhile

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    Thanks for sticking your neck out :D

    I know, everybody has their favourite manufacturer, model, year, etc. I'm coming from Harleys for the last several years so I'm doing my best to get caught up around here in BMW-land.

    I appreciate the insight!
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  11. slartidbartfast

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    Sounds like the cylinders are badly out of balance. Probably needs a TB sync or it has a sticky injector.

    You are probably over-thinking things. My R80RT had not run for five years. Once it was running, I took it out and rode it for a few miles, changed the fluids - and that was that. The only issues I came across that were probably related to the amount of time it had sat were perished carb diaphragms and a slight leak from the fuel hoses. That was five years and 20,000 miles ago.

    My GTS had sat for two years and all I did to it was flush the brakes and put injector cleaner in the first couple of tankfulls. It had an oil change right before going into (climate controlled) storage so I didn't even bother changing it.

    As long as the brakes are ok, go and burn a tank of gas through it. See how it runs then.
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  12. TurkeyRun

    TurkeyRun Been here awhile

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    Good to know!

    Yea, I'm probably being paranoid, but I don't know these bikes and I'm kinda fuzzy on the history of this thing so I'm trying to be gentile.

    Now to look up how to the the TB sync business!

    Thanks!
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  14. TurkeyRun

    TurkeyRun Been here awhile

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    Yup - just ordered 2x DVDs
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  15. Gezerbike

    Gezerbike Hey Rocky...........

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    The 1100 / 1150's do not have a choke ( fuel injection ). The lever you are moving is just a fast idle adjustment. Now that you have had it running, you ought to do a quick oil and filter change. Add just 3-1/2 quarts of your favorite oil. After that, I'd go for flushing out the brake system with new fluid. Lines can wait. Once you have the brake fluid swapped out, you can now ride it a little, so you can swap out the trans fluid and final drive oil ( same fluid for now ). This will also allow you to run the motor a little more, moving clean gas thru it. A fuel additive might not be a bad idea.......
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  16. TurkeyRun

    TurkeyRun Been here awhile

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    Yea, well that's what the Rider's Manual calls it so I thought I'd play along. Maybe it was a BMW thing like the kickstand, what BMW calls the sidestand, HD calls a "jiffy stand" - no idea why. :D

    Did you get a listen to the motor in my vid? Does it sound healthy enough to ride to you?

    Really appreciate all you folks replying here - I'm such a BMW n00b, it really helps.
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  17. RetrogradE

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    You might search the Hall of Wisdom on this site, too. Most of it applies to BMWs and will be a big help.

    There are a lot of "free" videos on YouTube that might help as well.

    When I was doing maintenance on my 1150GSA, I built my own manometer for $3 to sync my throttle bodies and it worked just fine. No need for a TwinMax IMO.

    Anyway, good luck. You'll be empowered if you learn to work on your own bike--and it'll serve you well in "the field" when you might need it most.
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  18. Gezerbike

    Gezerbike Hey Rocky...........

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    It didn't sound great, but I don't think running it will hurt it. THey are pretty tough motors. But I would get the old oil out. You mentioned you had to put a quart of oil in it. These motors are hard to check the oil on unless you know the secret code. Too much oil in them will get them running rough, so since you are going to change it out anyhow, now is a good time. Putting 3-1/2 qts in will be adequate. Now that you have that covered, properly, move on to the next step. Pulling the plugs might not be a bad idea. Same with the air filter...mice love them. The idea though is to get the bike running to the point you can ride it around the neighborhood running clean fluids thru it. Boxer motors do not like to be idled for long periods of time, hence getting it moving. Once you have clean fluids everywhere, have run some cleaner, energized gas thru it, you will then have a better starting points ( base line ) as to what needs to be done to the bike. We are not talking days here....most of this can be accomplished in a good afternoon.
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  19. tagesk

    tagesk Tuscan rider

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    Squeaky sound?
    Well, Sir, scroll to the bottom of this page, press the (hard to find) link that says AHll og Wisdom. There you find a document named "Squeaky starter". It explains how to get rid of that, well, squeaky sound at start up.
    Summary: Not dangerous but will wear out your starter and flywheel if not fixed.

    Then on to the general noise: Remember that on the GS everything sticks out in ta air. The mechanical noise can be overwhelming..

    Check out the GSpot FAQ on how to check how much oil there is. If everything is OK, ride it for a while.

    Remember this: Unless you ride with plugs in your ear you will worry to death about all the sounds you hear.

    {TaSK]
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  20. TurkeyRun

    TurkeyRun Been here awhile

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    Great advice guys, thanks!

    It's been a couple weekends now, and here's what I've gotten done:

    • Watched a bunch of the DVDs, found a Maintanance and Repair manual in PDF, visited the dealer that originaly sold the bike, got printouts of the service records from 2002-2006
    • Installed a new Westco Battery from BeemerBoneyard
    • Motor oil change
    • Trans fluid change
    • FD fluid change
    • plugs change (gads - ya should have seen the rust on those things!)
    • valve adjustment
    • idle/TB sync
    • hydraulic fluid check (needs changing, but I'm getting to that...)
    • Title transferred
    • North Carolina state safety inspection (it passed)
    • Insurance/license plate
    • Windshield mounted
    • Right side plastic ordered/purchased/installed
    • About 90 miles on it zipping up and down the country roads out by where I live
    w00t! This thing is FUN! It sounds much better with the above work done on it than it did on that video from the first weekend. Thank you, thank you, all for the pointers and links. I've been sucking up this BMW info like a sponge. They seller's brother works where I do, and has been a great help too. :clap


    I do have something weird going on, and yes - I've searched, but can't seem to find anything. It's regarding battery tenders.....


    I'm a bit anal about putting your standard run-of-the-mill Battery Tender Junior (wall-wart) on all my bikes. I ran out and got one for this bike. I use the pigtails direct to the battery and zip-tie the cord end to the frame. Never, ever had an issue using this method on a Harley, Honda, Yamaha, or Kaw that I've owned.



    Is there an issue with a Battery Tender Jr, directly connected to the battery leads, and some kind of BMW circuit I don't know about? It seems the tender worked when I first wired it up, but now will only go into charging mode if the battery is disconnected from the bike. Here is the story:


    • Had the new Westco on the new Battery Tender Jr. before I installed it in the bike - all good
    • Wired it up per above
    • Plugged in wall-wart, went from blinking red (not charging) to blinking green (charging) - happy!
    • Ran the bike a bit as I was working on the above items and to be honest, not sure if the tender was connected or not as I did, but I've done that with other bikes and not had a problem.
    • At some point, not sure when, I went into the garage and noticed the wall-wart blinking red, like it was disconnected, but it was in fact, plugged in
    • Swapped with another wall-wart from one of the other bikes that was in a steady green (monitoring) state - same blinking red from that tender too
    • Assumed the fuse on the pigtail, checked, no such luck
    • Plugged the wall-wart from the BMW onto one of the other bikes, went to green (happy mode)
    • OK, so...... lifted the tank, and put the battery clip pigtail on the terminals, hooked up the wall-wart, still blinking red like it was disconnected from the battery
    • Bottom line: no fault found in the pigtail or the tender itself by swapping with other bikes, and continuity testing both the pigtail and its fuse
    • I noticed when I started the bike up today that the starter motor wasn't as "perkey" as it was day one, so after a short (30 mile?) ride, I tried the wall-wart again, still blinking red. Time for deeper surgery....
    • Lifted the tank, disconnected the battery from the pigtail and leads to the bike (standalone battery)
    • Connected the clip pigtail, plugged in and..... blinking green, charging mode!
    I'm certainly willing to plead ignorance with all things BMW. I did some searching here and on the general Interwebs, and found nothing to indicate that there was any kind of incompatibility between the Westco battery, the Battery tender Jr, or the R1150GS bikes.


    What am I missing?
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