First LC or first oilhead GS: Which had more problems?

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by spartanman, Nov 16, 2013.

  1. spartanman

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    Unfortunately, ADV doesn't go back to the introduction of oilheads. And I didn't buy a new one when they came out so I can't comment. But just for kicks, I went back and read some posts that more or less coincide with the release of the R1150 GS. Interestingly there were relatively few complaints about things going wrong and more about farkling. Granted, other than adding a gear and 50 cc, there's not a remarkable difference between the 1150 and 1100.

    The LC, however, is a completely different animal and will likely see additional growing pains. Similarly, the oilhead was a broad departure from the airhead. Anybody here who bought a new 1100 or 1150 GS recall the kinds and numbers of problems they experienced with them?
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  2. hammick

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    Not to diminish anyone's complaints about their LC but I have 3,600 trouble free miles on my 2013.
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  3. tjt94

    tjt94 Been here awhile

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    There is infinitely more technology on the new WC so there is much more potential for things to go wrong. Also, social media tends to over report problems and it didn't exist when the 1100 was released so there would not be many ways to get an accurate count on real issues other than recalls.
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  4. Marki_GSA

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    I know why but you have missed out a generation.
    The first of the 1200 bikes had loads of problems but not many of them had shown up after only a year. It's not even that for the majority of the LC's especially in the states with them taking a few months extra to get over there in any numbers.

    3600 trouble free miles and your celebrating? Talk about easy pleased!
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  5. MassiveLee

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    The 1110 oil head engine was a major step up from previous boxers. That was in the early 1990s, right? Oil cooled head. 4 valves per cylinder. No more pushrods, so chain drive was "innovative" on those boxers. I think that over the 2 decades the oil head existed, perhaps the only major glitch came from the timing chain tensionner.

    I thing that the Liquid Cooled motors have as much innovations (no more, no less) than the oil cooled ones. The main difference not being in the engine itself but the transmission and clutch in my opinion.

    Lee
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  6. Gary Stofer

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    Early R1100GS oilheads were famous for blowing head gaskets resulting in oil leaks. The plastic fuel tanks would shed their decals and more than a few tanks collapsed due to emission control problems. A lot of M94 transmissions were replaced due to 'ratcheting' under load.
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  7. Girthy Knobkers

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    I raise your 3,600 :D

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    I have owned both a '95 1100 and 2013 LC... Guess I've been lucky, no major issues with either. Heard the horror stories that everyone else has but I try to sleep tight and just think about riding them both a lot more. :clap
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    I bought my 1150 new thirteen years ago this month. I do not ride as much as i would like so only have 39k miles. I do all my own wrenching & have no problems. Blew out a crown seal a few years ago due to me overfilling the final drive. Took less than an hour to replace. I'm on my second Odyssey battery, the first lasted seven years. The original shocks were gone at about 26k miles. Replaced with Wilbers. Other than that, just routine maintenance.:clap
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    Not celebrating. Just stating I haven't had problems. I'm not a koolaid drinker. I didn't like my k1600 and was not shy about bitching about its problems.
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  10. Bill-66

    Bill-66 Hencho in Kansas

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    :rofl

    Sorry..so in a month...it's all good...

    I hope that keeps up thru month 2 for you... :thumb
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    Bill-66 Hencho in Kansas

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    That's what I'm talking about....
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  12. erey

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    2005 GS - no issues
    2010 GSA - no issues
    2013 GS LC - no issues (19'000kms)

    I continue to read few forums ... :lurk
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  13. RichBMW

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    That's impressive mileage.:clap Where have you been on it?
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  14. hammick

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    Wow a dick measuring contest. In June of 2012 I put 10,400 miles on my GSA is 23 days. Can you touch that Vegas boy? :evil
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    Mostly commuting and western region riding. A long cc trip immediately following purchase. Talk about trusting a machine :D
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  16. spartanman

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    Interesting. Only one person reports a problem with a new 1100 and threads of LC issues abound. I have to wonder if BMW rushed development a bit too much and didn't adequately test the bike and subsystems. Perhaps it's the trend toward replacing tests of physical hardware with analysis in an effort to save development costs. Such software tools were in their infancy when the 1100 was designed.
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  17. marchyman

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    Ask how many new 1100 owners got a new transmission somewhere along the line.

    In 1995 the big BMW owner issue wasn't as much about the bikes as it was about the warranty. I think BMW went from 3 years unlimited mileage to 3 years or 36K miles in '96.
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  18. Marki_GSA

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    There is a video somewhere of an interview with some by up BMW person. The video states that the LC has been thoroughly tested and in fact they have done a million miles on it. It doesn't state right enough whether those were real or virtual miles but either way, on the face of it anyway, it would appear to not have been enough.
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    I agree it was rushed. They let the cat out of the bag on it too early. I mean, sure it was the right time chronologically, but not mechanically...

    Mines been great, others have had big issues and/or small issues. It's a crapshoot with any 1st model year.

    /closed

    ps my m94 transmission has yet to "ratchet" on me.. Guess I'm lucky? Shit, it will probably take a dump on me tmw... :lol3
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  20. atwoodtja

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    They tested the p*ss out of it, but those may have been mostly hand-built machines from well-selected parts. Yes, there have been some random manufacturing and assembly issues to be addressed (like all bikes have), and the supply chain is crap so far (my biggest complaint), but the only real design flaw so far was the switchgear (borrowed from the K16), which they have now addressed with a redesign. Whether the water pump itself has a design problem or just some bad seals is still questionable, they don't fail at nearly the rate of the switchgear so far.
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