First ride in Ont, very poor experience with OPP

Discussion in 'Canada' started by Maggot12, Oct 9, 2012.

  1. Patrol

    Patrol VALE 46!

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    There's no such charge as "Perform Stunt on Highway", it has to be Perform Stunt on Highway - ________ one of the wordings. A charge that doesn't exist can't be laid before the court. The cop can certainly misunderstand what's required, what constitutes a violation, etc but there is no way to lay a charge for standing on the pegs.

    Do you see what I'm saying? The summons can't say "Perform Stunt on Highway". It must say "Perform Stunt on Highway - Greater than 49 km/h or Engage in Race or Lift Wheel etc. There are only five possibilities. He can't think you're performing a stunt all he wants but unless parliament has ruled that the action (such as standing on the pegs) is a stunt there is no charge. If standing on the pegs ever becomes illegal in Ontario it probably won't be stunting, it will be a regular $110 ticket, but there are occasions when it is appropriate to stand on the pegs, so it is highly unlikely this will ever be illegal.
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  2. pelvis_98

    pelvis_98 Havin A Time

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    Can i be charged with "Not sitting in a seat"?
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  3. Commuter Boy

    Commuter Boy Long timer

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    Cut the guy some slack, he was probably in awe after driving through the beautiful landscape of Ontario's industrial crown jewel :lol3
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  4. jonyfi

    jonyfi 21st century adventurer

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    NICE!!! :D I am surely not the first to appove of this...
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  5. CaribooBC

    CaribooBC life is an adventure

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    In BC we get to ride the 52 window loser cruiser if we are caught going 41km/h over. 1 week impound plus fines and fees up the wazoo.
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  6. Rocer10

    Rocer10 Been here awhile

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    I may have my jurisdictions confused but my understanding is that you can retrieve the seized item( perhaps after the optioned trial date if you go that route). Phone the OPP station and make an inquiry. It's not illegal to own one it's illegal to use it, at least in ON.

    A few years back we had a group of riders from the U.S. stay with us so I made a preemptory call to the local station and was told that if any of the U.S. riders had a warning device it had to be disabled ie. not connected to a power source that it best be stowed away.
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  7. xcountry41

    xcountry41 Adventurer

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    I Like that idea !!! if they figure out they are wasting time with a stupid law maybe they ........ never mind.
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  8. eviee1973

    eviee1973 Adventurer

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    Had lived in Ontario, OPP were nice to me, got a verbal warning for speeding. Now live in Calgary, the city police I do not have anything nice to say about. Got pulled over in a harass people on motorcycles checkpoint on 22X. My insurance papers had expired by 13 days, and I did not have the current ones. Police refused to allow me to call the insurance co to verify the policy was active, charged me with failure to produce.
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  9. Hosebag

    Hosebag Difficult but Useful

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    Had the same thing happen years back in Madoc with the OPP. He asked for the detector, I said "a moment please" unplugged it, then smashed it under my heel, handed him the pieces and he handed me the ticket. Wouldn't discuss options.

    Bottom line though- Detectors are illegal and the law allows the OPP to sieze them.
    I wouldn't waste my time in court.
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  10. MCP

    MCP Been here awhile

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    4) Move back to BC :lol3





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  11. Maggot12

    Maggot12 U'mmmm yeaah!!

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    Even with the detector i got 4 speeding tickets while in BC. :huh One of them was with a group of 6 all doing 140 in an 80. Pulled us all over, I got the only ticket in the group. 3 of us had detectors. :lol3
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  12. DTVD

    DTVD Still thumping

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    Make an appointment to see the Justice of the Peace or Crown Attorney. My 19 year old Son did that after being nailed with a Careless Driving Charge after going to a reporting station to report a accident with no damage done to either vehicle but the passenger of the other car wanted a $1000.00 for injury but to not report it. Needless to say he was fuming and felt let down by the system. I went with him and he saw the Crown by himself and worked out a deal with Him. They then went to the courts and the Justice of the Peace threw it out and the JP had the Court put in its records that the Country needs more upstanding young people like him and also asked My name and congratulated Me on my Sons attitude and respect for the law. I'm great full for that action because it instilled some fairness of the system back with my Son. and it cost him nothing.
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  13. Groves

    Groves Been here awhile

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    It sounds like the detectors work very well! :lol3
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  14. H96669

    H96669 A proud pragmatist.

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    I can't even hear mine at them speeds, but it is old. From them old days when I did slam the brakes more than once so the guy behind me got the ticket but that was always cars.:lol3 With bikes I sure warned the others that I was so equipped and to watch for my brake light at all times. No need to get rear ended by a buddy. :eek1

    Cop even smoked his tires once to get the following car and probably flatspotted them from the amount of smoke.:lol3 No ticket needed after a well over 10,000 Kms "no ticket" ride and I was almost home in Victoria.:clap

    These days I rely much more on road sense....and my nose to sniff them out. Touch wood maybe but no ticket in BC in 20 years and I sure met lots of them cops the last few years.And in other provinces also.:wink: Just so happened that for some reason I may have instinctively slowed down.:D

    Sure had to talk to a few of them, other province and the USAs but the outcome was always.....reasonable. But I did get a somewhat dirty look from one in WA as I had forgotten to switch it off entering the state, illegal in WA them things.:wink:
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  15. MCP

    MCP Been here awhile

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    Thanks for the warning officer:wink:


    You've had some bad luck,
    I'd consider riding at the back of the pack in future, or ride where I live at the moment - no rules - no nada:deal

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  16. Dilligaf0220

    Dilligaf0220 Miserablist

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    Get used to it. If you're going to ride in Ontario you're going to get ass raped by the OPP on a regular basis, and you're right in the middle of their popular Red Zone. Wait until you start riding again in the Spring, when you'll be stopped three times in a week for a "document/equipment check".

    I wouldn't be surprised if you are a LEO, most are pretty clueless about the laws they used to fill their quota's.

    Here's the actual HTA Section 172, which everyone that rides in Ontario will become familiar with on a personal level eventually. Has to be about the worst written, and becoming the most abused, section of the HTA.

    http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/regs/english/elaws_regs_070455_e.htm

    Pertinent part:
    Bikes are indeed motor vehicle's, and more riders standing on their pegs have been busted than actual street racer's under this bullshit law. Sure some MADD Libtard supporter wanted it in there to combat the plague of "ghostriding", but intent has never stopped some fuckstick from filling his quota.

    My personal fav section of 172: Police services are specifically excluded from later civil action trying to recoup costs from bogus charges.
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  17. woodgrain

    woodgrain In-Dented Savant

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    Although I feel your pain, ignorance is no defence of the law...

    Woodgrain
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  18. Tin Woodman

    Tin Woodman Mike

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    Good thing you didn't move to Quebec (where I grew up). Drivers would often keep a $5 bill (I'm dating myself) with their drivers license and it would magically disappear once the cop 'examined' the license.
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  19. dukedinner

    dukedinner Been here awhile

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    The OPP always have treated me fairly when coming through Ontario (Highway 17 to Sault Ste.Marie)..even on the gong show stretch of the Trans Canada around Kenora. I always take off my helmet and speak politely etc..they is the law so why fight it? So I must be missing the ones who haggle bikers?

    Maybe offer the meaner ones some BC Bud??? :rofl
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  20. ZZR_Ron

    ZZR_Ron Looking up

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    ...over the years, that when I have been stopped for any reason,usually going a bit faster than I should (no matter which Province or State it has been in), at how many of the cops are riders.

    Im all cases, it's been a polite, slow down a bit, don't want to be picking you up off the pavement...

    Most of them seem to be more interested in the bike, and how i like it.

    Honestly, no really bad experience with them.
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