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Discussion in 'Old's Cool' started by jehu, Oct 5, 2007.
What an ugly, ill-conceived, poorly-engineered bike. I know it led to great things, and I'm sure Honda learned lots of important things because because of that bike. It certainly has a place in a museum, but it's probably my least favorite tracker of all time.
I like it because, like you did with your Suzuki, they took what they had and modified it to suit their needs.
Of course in the case of the CX trackers the mods were at the extreme edge. Let's see , turn the motor 90 degrees , check ,lose the shaft and replace with a chain, check, juggle the bore and stroke to get a 750, check.
Build a frame that works and try to get the carbs out of the way so a guy can ride it.And they did!
It didn't set the world on fire and that's OK because a few years later when they did it started a firestorm and pissed off a lot of people.
Exactly. But I think if the RS was never developed, no one would remember the CX.
BTW, an RS sold on eBay about a month ago for $24k and change. What great bikes. Anyone know how many RS engines were made?
I wanna strip some of the dopey looking parts off an Ascot and put that RS paint scheme on it. Thanks for the pics
I dreamed of turning a TransAlp into an RS replica, but it didn't go as planned. Most of the production Honda V twins aren't anywhere near what the RS was. I wish I had an Africa Twin rat bike; that would be the best starting point to build an RS.
You would've needed an XLV750, because that is what the RS750 was based on.
You know where I can find one?
Yes, Sammy's #7 and Elliot's #27 at the Ascot Reunion in Pomona last year.
........Yes, Sammy's #7 and Elliot's #27 at the Ascot Reunion in Pomona last year..........
Watched them every friday night at Ascot back in the '60s.
I sold mine in 2004, they still come up for sale occasionally, there is a nice one in our area, but I only catch glimpses of it.
depends on your definition of "they did"...
your uncle knew..
Plenty of room for a leg. It's not like the rider had to put his feet down at stop lights.
It was originally privately developed, some interesting history in the development of the Honda flat trackers if you can find it. I agree, it was a pretty poor set up, but at least someone was trying. Seems the AMA could always screw it up whenever anyone approached dethroning the XR750.
Once Honda did it, the AMA hung weight on them to relegate them into the field. The AMA didn't do the same to Harley in 1973-74 when they actually built a special racing engine (not street/production based) and started beating the snot out of the actual street/production based BSAs, Triumphs, and Yamahas. That was okay. But when Honda did it - well, can you say HOSED. That's why Honda quit. Why play when the deck is stacked.
And heaven forbid you used a multi-cylinder beyond the twin...
I was looking at #27... Was Elliot's mom pissed when she saw the dryer vent duct was gone?
Does Harley own the AMA,NHRA ?
Seemed like they had a death grip (if you didn't ride an XR) back in the 70s and 80s. With tire issues and all competition falling by the wayside, there was no action to bring the HD XR750 more into line with the other competitors, but when any others got close there seemed to be a flurry of action.
If you see the AMA hose over the current crop of Kawasakis and others you know they still have a lot of the Motor Company influence in their rule making committee. I'm hoping not, seems there are some contenders out there and it should progress as such. As much as many want to believe the Honda RS was built based on the XR, it was an engine that actually existed before being drafted into use. Granted it was tweaked and tuned to get the proper power, but hey, they all do that. A stock XR would get trashed by probably the back marker bikes in pro AMA action.
As for the NHRA, I don't know. It does seem interesting that the original Vance-Hines "Harley" had absolutely no Harley part on it. Byron Hines put the cams up so high they have extremely short pushrods, a trick to get the displacement gain from the rules, but eliminate part of the problems with having push rods - flex in the rods.
I am sure it was a great marketing ploy to gain inroads into Harley accessory exhaust and other performance goodies through the "Harley" drag racer. Getting Harley to buy in helped keep it going. Vance-Hines built a killer Honda CB1100F back in 83, but Honda didn't buy in and they dropped the project in spite of it being successful on track. I can't fault them for that. They conformed to the rules and were willing to spend the money to take advantage of the loopholes. Just because it was done for profits is not wrong.
I doubt the NHRA is swayed anywhere near as much, if at all, as the AMA appeared to be in the 70s and 80s. Oddly enough both Harley engines were specifically race engines built as such in a class that at least was originally to be street based. About the only thing I ever read about relating to "factory" in pro stock was a cast steel case set that was supposedly made in limited numbers by Suzuki I think back in the 80s or 90s. I remember reading about them, extremely high strength and the weight was able to be compensated for. But I can't document anything on that so I could be wrong.