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Discussion in 'Old's Cool' started by jehu, Oct 5, 2007.
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I believe that the green BSA shown in that last post was the one that tried to run at an AMA Pro event last year. Last minute, AMA would not allow it. Dicks...
No fair. The BSA was a 500 single while the Harley's were only, err....750 twins! Oh, wait!!
The big concern over the RS750 was Honda was not only winning, but winning with "exotic" pieces inside the motor. The later versions were littered with billet goodies, and other high-tech metals that made the motors a little lighter and a little faster each race.
The XR750 is still an expensive piece (expect to lay down around $50K on a good example, with some spares). Once Harley saw Honda showing up with motors made with more exotic metals than Harley had heard of, it set off quite a stir among the old-school guys like Bill Werner (who oddly enough, revolted himself with the Kawasaki projects) and others. The XR750 will always be the king of flat-track, but their days of utter dominance are somewhat limited. Just like years past though, they will adjust the rules, until they complain enough.
Sounds like a good story. Do you have details?
Not really, or nothing that I know is totally true. I'm sure 'Metro' Don Miller can help me out here...
From what I remember, AMA took their entry fee and papers and such, let them come to the event, then disallowed them during tech stating that the bike was 'vintage' and not modern. So, a XR is what???
Truth is we are all saddened by the decline of a motorsport that I for one thought would be around and thrive for ever. Unfortunately things change, peoples interests move in different directions. I just would add that if more manufactures and dealers had the opportunity to compete we would see the sport grow. One thing that I think would help is that there needs to be a Open Class. You could have a 450 champion a 750 champion and a Open champion. Let the sport go into a development stage. Run what You Brung! Aerodynamics, motor size, tires. It could go on and on. Lets just see what works best for a while. Racing has been win on Sunday sell on Monday for a long time. But now it's become so specialized know one can buy let alone afford to buy our everyday race bikes, cars, boats ect. That's one reason I think Motocross has become so popular!
I don't know about anyone trying to use that BSA in an event last year but, a couple of years ago that Beezer (or one that looked just like it) was allowed to enter & practice/qualify for the program at the Springfield Mile. It missed making the show by a surprisingly slim margin. The announcer made quite a deal out of how close the BSA came to making the show.
It sure was cool to see it out there mixing it up!
Flat tack may not be where the true fans would like to see it but, at the Springfield Mile last Labor Day it was apparent that someone is doing something right. At least 5 different brands of bikes qualified for the main. The bulk were Kawasakis and Harley-Davidsons but, at least one each of the following either made the main or came damn close: Triumph, Ducati, Aprillia, and Suzuki.
And, I have worked on Bill's Triumph a few times. It's my fav
One, how many XR750s do you think were available to the masses in the first two years they were out? I'm betting not too many. Riders were still riding the Yamahas, BSAs and Triumphs for a while.
As for the RS, they were pretty much pushed out when compared to what happened with the XR in the early 70s. Had the XR been restricted and weighted down to make it competitive with the kitted Yamahas/BSAs/Triumphs they might just have considered giving up. The Honda was nothing ultra trick or using totally different possibly dangerous track lines like the TZ. It was simply an up-to-date design that could have pushed the sport a bit more. Instead we got another few decades with an aging now 40 year old engine design, that has always been costly just to get set up, still pretty much dominant.
For so long it has been virtually spec series racing - not an XR, not competitive. I'm thinking there were a few other manufacturers that looked at what happened to Honda and were influenced. No one has made any factory effort since, because they see what happened. The AMA had to ask Bill Werner to try to make a bike that would be less costly to race. Not to beat Harley, but to cut costs. Now lets see what happens if the results start to dominate...
Just got running again.Built it around '75-76.TR6R,Bonneville head,32 Mikunis,ARD,straight TT pipes(who cares if it's loud,I don't).750 Honda front end(was cheap).Fun stuff.
Gorgeous rider...I love what you've done with it.
Looks like a lotta fun!
Thanks! It is fun,have previously thrashed it on some(most) of the Junior high/Senior high school 1/4 mile tracks around town...chased from most,water hosed from one.
went to the local southern california flat track races at perris,
this is a crf 450 framer, damn fine lookin bike, and quick too
guy in front was really cookin, i beleive it was a honda xr650r (water cooled) powered framer.
sorry for the shitty pics.
I love the pic of #2. That guy is not taking two trips to haul ass!
Yep, great foto.
the best thing is that they coming by!